FC5T2 ready for even a test release?

[Richard Hally]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Richard Hally wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/22/06, goemon at anime.net <goemon at anime.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> so far it seems like almost everyone wants it back and you're the 
>>>> only one
>>>> arguing for its removal. perhaps this should tell you something
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah everyone else in this discussion is insane.
>>>
>>> I'm arguing for removal. In fact I'm arguing for removal of all
>>> package choice in the interactive Core installer so that an
>>> installation of core only gives you a default set of packages and
>>> everything else happens post install or via kickstart.
>>
>> Or "everything else" is extras or somewhere else.
>> Consider the proposition that "If it's good enough to be included in 
>> Core it good enough to be installed on my system"
> 
> Thats too generic. Is all of the software thats available in core needed 
> to be installed simultaneously and is using all of them together a 
> common scenario?
> 
You(Rahul) still don't get it! It's not about "using them all together" 
at all. Yes, it is about installing "everything" in Core at one 
time(install time!) *easily*. It's a usability / easy-of-use issue. It's 
about giving users the choice. If they want to - let then. Who are you 
to know better than users what they want to do. You can't seem to 
imagine any use cases. Your idea that developers know better than users 
what users want to do is flat wrong and smacks of paternalism.
>>
>> Are you forgetting the "non-internet access" use case? Or what about 
>> the person that only has a very slow connection(e.g. dial-up) and 
>> installs his system from the CDs he borrowed from his buddy and 
>> returns them after the install?
> 
> You realize that work is being done to create ISO images of Fedora 
> Extras packages too. right. Even you could that do that today.
> 
>> Does kickstart install from CDs?
>>
>> BTW, there is a bugzilla for kickstart not working with an everything 
>> selection.
> 
> Report number?

Search on "anaconda everything".

> 
>> And what makes Rahul think he knows the difference better than others? 
>> (wink,wink)
>>
> Oh please guys. Listen before responding. I presented very detailed 
> reasons why I think it is not a good thing.
And all those reasons are bogus and do not apply to the usability/ease 
of use of the package selection part of the installer.

  Now will any of you present
> a few different use cases that make it obsoletely require within the 
> single click in the installer GUI itself instead of merely lobbying for 
> a change without specifying the reasons why you use this option at all.

Several people have already given you "use cases" but this is not about 
your opinion that an "everything" install is not useful. It's about 
those users that want to do it (in spite of your opinion) being able to 
do it easily. Trying to make it difficult is just arrogance!

HTH
Richard Hally