Release criteria updates: desktop question

Stephen John Smoogen smooge at
Wed May 18 00:07:45 UTC 2011

2011/5/17 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg at>:
> On 05/17/2011 11:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 23:17 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>> On 05/17/2011 10:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>>> Finally, I have a new proposal for the issue of 'supported' desktops,
>>>> which is blocking another planned criterion that we've been meaning to
>>>> add for a while. I'm now proposing the term 'release-blocking desktops':
>>>> it's simple, it does what it says on the tin, and it doesn't imply any
>>>> value judgments about the desktops in question. How does that sound?
>>>> So all current reference to 'desktop' or 'the desktop' would be replaced
>>>> by 'release-blocking desktops', and the proposed image size criterion
>>>> would read:
>>>> * The network installation image, DVD image, and live images for
>>>> release-blocking desktops must meet current size requirements
>>> Great :)
>>> Now we just to have to decide which desktop spins are release blocking
>>> desktops.
>> No, 'we' don't. For the tenth time, that is not a decision QA makes, nor
>> is it a part of the release criteria process. I really wish you'd stop
>> trying to expand these threads.
>>> Are we talking about all desktop spins we have?
>>> If not which ones?
>> Right now, the release-blocking desktops are GNOME (in its capacity asnot
>> the default desktop) and KDE. It is not QA's job to decide this, and
>> it's not the release criteria's job to quantify it.
> I beg the differ we are entity within the project that is ultimatly
> responsable for overseeing the quality of the bits we ship and hand out
> to our userbase expecially when it comes to a media which gets handed
> out at various events or downloaded from our web site.
> We exist to server all not a single SIG just like relese engineering and
> the design group.
> We ( atleast me and you ) are at impass regarding this matter however I
> am supporting the changes you suggested since they will cover one or
> many desktops hence I say make them and point me to the party that you
> belive that is responsable for this and I can take it up with that party
> If..

I would take it to FESCO.

Stephen J Smoogen.
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