Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.

[Frank Murphy]

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:04:18 +0000
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg at gmail.com> wrote:

> > I've added it because have stated "bugs" go unanswered.
> > That is the "problem" need fixing, not bugzilla.
> 
> There are 4 reasons that happens.
> 
> 1. the packager is gone awol

1a: Not a buzilla problem, housekeeping

> 2. the packager does not know how to fix

2a: If it a bug, that is know upstream link it,
    if it's fedora packing\config issue, help him understand

> 3. the maintainer lacks time to fix it.

3a: Then should he be maintainer, if he cannot maintain?


> 4. bugzilla is not the interface the maintainer finds effective so
> he ignores it

It it part of fedora, help him learn it's ways

> 
> >
> > Is missing maintainer period too long?
> > Extra co-maintainers needed, with commit access?
> >
> > Now can you throw as much endeavour into helping resolve that
> >
> 
> To effectively resolve that you need to reduce the total number of 
> components in the distribution as well as how many components
> maintainer is allowed to maintain as well as finding the
> communication interface with the maintainer which he finds
> effective.

Agreed, or get maintainers in, and help them understand Fedora ways.
But, I agree if John Does, want to bring in package foo,
as his admittance price. Then he best know it's every inch.

> 
> Reporting upstream is one solution to the interface problem,

What if they too have bugzilla, bummer.
The problem with many upstream is the dreaded "Works for me"

> detecting poorly maintained packages as well as orphaning
> unmaintained packages and coming up with a time sharing program
> takes care of the rest.

(1a) ^


> 
> With the exception of reporting directly upstream which I have been 
> always against, I pointed out the other things and you can find the 
> discussion surrounding that in the archives on devel.
> 
I'm not against reporting upstream, for a specific issue,
where maintainer has said, can you please report upstream, 
as problem is agnostic.

Gnome is a special case, as upstream <> downstream can be overlapped,
and the gnome-sig know their pkgs.

-- 
Regards,
Frank 
www.frankly3d.com