From release notes for FC5T3 (web)

[Craig White]

On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 09:26 -0800, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> >
> >On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 10:12 -0600, akonstam at trinity.edu wrote:
> >> > At least the feature is realized now or ready for FC5. I 
> >use the right 
> >> > click a lot to find features hidden on other operating 
> >systems. I guess 
> >> > right clicking for Linux is becoming similar to find 
> >useful options.
> >> > 
> >> > Yes, contacting the developer through bugzilla is more 
> >productive than 
> >> > overpopulating the list with point-counterpoint battles.
> >> > 
> >> > I used battle on public lists over MS vs. Linux and 
> >battles were similar 
> >> > on outcome. I probably converted 2 over to my view while 
> >having another 
> >> > thousand holding onto what they were accustomed to.
> >> > 
> >> > Unless we were to redesign the installer ourselves, 
> >battling on the list 
> >> >  would only add more clicks to the reading of other Fedora 
> >issues on 
> >> > the list. The installer would still not handle easier 
> >installation or a 
> >> > more complete installation of what is available from the 
> >install media.
> >> > 
> >> > This feature should positively stand out in the "highly 
> >read" release 
> >> > notes. would flashing text be too much?
> >> > 
> >> > Jim
> >> I don't what you definition of productive is but this bugzilla was
> >> not very productive in my view. Just to say that is the way it is
> >> and install everything will never come back is not very responsive.
> >> 
> >---
> >the response also pointed out that you could right click on the group
> >and 'select all' or 'select none' for the group. All right, so it takes
> >8 clicks instead of 1 click to 'install everything' now...not a big
> >deal.
> >
> >What you don't get from the bugzilla entry but can get from parsing the
> >developers list is that they are trying to shed packages from Fedora
> >Core and push them out to 'Extras' and make 'core' truly just the core
> >and 'install everything' is less valuable as they succeed in 
> >doing that.
> >What you don't get if you don't read the developers list is 
> >what is that
> >they don't even agree on what is meant by 'install everything' - where
> >some might interpret it to mean every package, others thought it
> >shouldn't include every language pack under the sun for every package
> >and as you consider the impact of this, you begin to get the
> >point...'install everything' was never really clear about it's purpose
> >at the outset.
> >
> >Craig
> >
> 
> Clearly it IS a big deal.  8 clicks is 8 clicks and not 1 click!  You're
> right - I am too darn lazy but 8 clicks adds to my already agravating
> carpal tunnel wrist. But seriously, anything to make it easier for the
> installer is what I am advocating.  Anything less than that is a very
> unprofessional descision and it just makes for an unsavory installation
> experience.
> 
> I added my comments to the BUGZILLA for suggestions that should be
> reviewed.  I don't like buzilla but I am willing to get these installer
> issues resolved for the benefit of fedora's community.
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I hope that you recognize that:

- you added your comments to the bugzilla entry that was already closed,
notabug. So while yours and Claudes' entries are attached to the
bugzilla, you have made them on a bugzilla entry whose disposition has
already been determined. 

- that post install allows you to install other packages and isn't
really part of the pre-install selection at all which purposely is only
concerned with installing the core packages.

My impression is that this is all much ado about nothing as I am
gathering that the last two commentators haven't seen the FC-5 installer
(at least Jim used it). At this point, they aren't going to change it
prior to release of FC-5 which is imminent so why don't you wait until
you get it, use it and then if necessary, critique it via bugzilla.

Thanks

Craig