Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !
wayward4now at gmail.com
Mon Jun 23 07:25:42 UTC 2008
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:18 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 05:56 +0000, g wrote:
> > It might be better to avoid the use of "labels" as much as possible. I
> > know it's hard to do in practice. Sadly, I have my share of favorites.
> > "Idiot" just rolls off the fingers when typing it. So does "Twit".
> > That's a really good one. "Stupid" gets my hackles up though, I'll
> > battle on that one. <cackles>
> > Again, it's better to not use them at all. Ric
> A sensible person would run CentOS, or RHEL, or one of the many others, for a
> server. It would be foolish to run any distro, such as Fedora, there are many
> others, in a production type situation. Something that changes as often, as
> quickly, and a radically as Fedora does not, would not, be a good choice for a
> stable LAN or production system. Only if you want to be cheap and get 'the
> free stuff' would it make sense. And then 'they' would have to deal with the
> So tell me Ric. What would you call someone that would do this, described
> above? Bob? Fred? Or a fool?
Well, there is an alternative reason, like mine. I've been using RedHat
since the living room days with a pile of floppies and later a CD! to
install from. Got a job at RedHat even. I know Bob Young quite well. So,
there is some emotional/intellectual "attachment" to Fedora as it sorta
replaced what was the cheap-seats box set. It was a stab in the heart to
have that part of RedHat closed down, not long after Bob left. So, I'm
sure that some, like me, hoped that Fedora would become the community
that replaced the box sets and would have SOME sane margin of
It absolutely KILLS me to have to switch. But, the only way through to
Acceptance is to experience the first four of the five stages of grief,
Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Depression. I've done that finally by
giving up and receiving Acceptance. <whew!> It's been hard on me. It's
like another divorce. I've already had 3 1/2 of those. Some of my
colleagues are using Ubuntu Hardy Heron, which the Wonderland devel
folks use, and they have zero problems getting X11 apps to run. Xvfb
works there and not here, for whatever Wonderland does with it. That was
the last straw.
I bargained asking for help here, got zip. Fsck it. I'm not getting
younger and 2.7 million potential clients is nothing to sneeze at.
Finally got the funds for the satellite from our Non-Profit and it's on
order tomorrow. I'll give CentOS a shot, but if I have the same problems
it'll be a goner quickly ... like within minutes. Then I'll be done with
the rpm world for good. Sad day, end of a personal era. I sure haven't
arrived here easily. I had hoped to pay forward the good that people
like Bob Young had done for me and introduce RedHat to a bunch of state
DOC sites. To assist the Debian folks instead sticks in my craw ...lot's
of old baggage there from the Old Days. Plus another learning curve
added to the learning curves I've already put myself into. I see no
other way to end the pain it's caused. Does that make me foolish?? No,
just trying to do what I considered the "Right Thing".
To me it makes no sense whatsoever, to stride boldly ahead with the
newest when there is so much breaking behind. THAT is foolish, IMHO.
Others have noted the same thing and have been vocal about it.
Pulseaudio is a case in point. Some have no problems with it, some find
it impossible. Freeze things until it works for the largest amount of
folks. Same with Xorg. That would be functional to have some actual
concerns for the lowest common denominator of user.
To me "Community" denotes Extended Family. A Functional Family lives to
meet the needs of its "Children". In a Dysfunctional Family, the
Children live to meet the needs of the Parents. Please, do not call
this a "community" when the avowed goals are that the children (users)
meet the needs of the parents (RedHat). Please call it something other
than a community. It's misleading and harmful. If someone wants to raise
hell over my observation, fine. But, remember the first stage of Grief
is "Denial". Print this out, run it by a shrink and see what he sees in
what I have written. I'm doing a "Stop-Switch" and seeking better
parents. I'll always be grateful and in Gift-Debt forever to Bob Young.
I'll just have to find another way to repay the debt. Ric
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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