F11: Fedora's Netbeans, Eclipse, and Tomcat.

[jack craig]

Thx for this clarification Dan, I appreciate your time, jackc...

On 09/19/2009 10:52 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> On 09/19/2009 09:46 AM, jack craig wrote:
>    
>> slightly off topic, i wonder why, as i am a java newbie, you have
>> netbeans and eclipse at the same time?
>>
>> i thought both were ide's? from a recent poll, i was going to try
>> starting with NB first.
>>
>> next week am going to pull down nb to my fc11 and get started with
>> some java intro, so more useful dialog then
>>
>> thx, jackc...
>>      
> I explained in my other post that I use different 'tools' for
> what I want to do.  NB has features that Eclipse does not and
> vice versa.  I think Eclipse has some things that have nothing
> to do with Java per-se, and so does NB to some degree, but I
> see NB being mostly Java-centric which it was in the beginning,
> but this is changing all the time.
>
> As NB gets better and better and so does Eclipse.  Eclipse users
> say that they love it and still do, but with all sorts of bugs creeping
> in, or certain "features" seem counter-intuitive, or other gripes,
> when at first compared Eclipse against with NB which was "still in it's
> infancy" at the time,  stayed on Eclipse, but when NB was greatly
> improved with bug-fixes and more features, Eclipse users switched
> over to NB.  Perhaps the same can be said of NB users switching
> over to Eclipse?
>
> I see this sort of "flip-flop" going on, and its tarting to look like
> musical chairs. If NB gets bugs or is lacking in something
> they want or need, then perhaps one will flip back to Eclipse
> and vice versa, so round-robin it it goes? Perhaps.
>
> I started with Eclipse first before using NB, so there is
> probably a bit of bias there, although I am ignorant of it.
>
> I do not, however favor one 'tool' over another as many
> have complained endlessly about the particulars - and
> probably will continue to do so.  It's like the flame wars
> over which "os/tool" is better than the other and it goes
> on to no end.  It's a waste of time, imo.
>
> Bottom line, choose the tool(s) that you are most familiar
> with, meets your overall needs, and don't be afraid to try
> other tools if it can aide towards getting your projects
> completed, efficiently and bug-free as possible.
>
> Happy learning and programming!
> Dan
>    
>> On 09/18/2009 06:13 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>>      
>>>>  From what I can tell, there is no possible way
>>>>          
>>> to run Fedora's implementation of Netbeans
>>> and Eclipse against Fedora's implementation
>>> of Tomcat 5&   6.
>>>
>>> Tomcat5 is structurally different, almost completely
>>> "rearranged" and tomcat6 has missing pieces that
>>> could not be found, or so the error messages say.
>>> I have tried everything I could and could not
>>> get it to work.
>>>
>>> If one were to download Netbeans/Eclipse directly
>>> from the vendors, it will not work against Fedora's
>>> Tomcat implementations but works against Apache's
>>> Tomcat versions, or so it seems.
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever gotten Fedora's implementation
>>> to work "natively"?
>>>
>>> I have gotten NB/EC to work just fine on F9, however,
>>> I had to "tweak" Fedora's implementations of T5/6
>>> to get it to work, and also installed Apache's versions
>>> as well, but it works.  No dice w/ F11 - it's just too
>>> different/difficult to fiddle with.
>>>
>>> I assume that F10 is similar to F11, but I cannot
>>> vouch for that since I haven't tried it.
>>>
>>> I note that a "fully installed" F11 has heavy tomcat5
>>> dependencies that attempting to remove T5, results
>>> in some 100+ packages. Oye.
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>> Dan
>>>        
>>      
>    

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