Subject: Re: Fedora 18 existing /usr partition -- need to merge into rootfs?

Mon Apr 1 19:27:16 UTC 2013

Bob, thanks, that should do the trick.

(appear to be competing schools of thought here, some strongly for, some
strongly against).

I'll try both ;-)

> If you really want to keep a separate /usr (I do, mounted read-only and
> located on an SSD) you just need to arrange to have /usr mounted by dracut
> early in the boot sequence. It's not hard:
>
> 1. Copy the /usr line from your /etc/fstab into a (probably new) file
>    /etc/fstab.sys .
>
> 2. Edit the file /etc/dracut.conf and change the line
>         #add_dracutmodules+=""
>    to read
>         add_dracutmodules+="fstab-sys"
>
> 3. IMPORTANT: In /etc/fstab, disable the automatic fsck for /usr by
>    putting a zero in field 6.
>
> 4. Run dracut to remake the initramfs in /boot.
>
> That's it.  Now your /usr gets mounted early in the boot sequence.
> It is available when needed, and you can ignore the warning from systemd.
> You will have to make your own arrangement for fsck on your /usr.  If
> you allowed the automatic fsck to run, it would be guaranteed to fail
> since the filesystem is mounted.  (The special handling for the root
> filesystem is hard-coded into fsck and would not apply to a pre-mounted
> /usr.)
>
> --
> Bob Nichols     "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address.
>                 Do NOT delete it.

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>    3. Re: How do you keep contacts in Fedora/KDE? (Steven Stern)
>    4. Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ? (poma)
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>    7. Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ? (poma)
>    8. Re: f18... (poma)
>    9. Re: f18... (Marc Blanc)
>   10. Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ? (Jim)
>   11. Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ? (Bill Davidsen)
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>   13. Re: f18... (Marc Blanc)
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>   15. Re: Fedora 18 won't print in Landscape mode. (Jim)
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> From: Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan at gmail.com>
> To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 09:33:52 -0430
> Subject: Re: undo rm -rf *
> On Mon, 2013-04-01 at 15:40 +1100, Celik wrote:
> > In this thread, it has been suggested to do daily backups. But it
> > wasn't
> > clear, should the daily backups be for the whole system or only the
> > current
> > project we are working on?
>
> Only you can answer that. Ask yourself what you can afford to lose.
>
> > An issue that has been bothering me and caused me to be reluctant in
> > making
> > regular backups is - a complete backup is costly. It takes 4-5 hours
> > minimum, plus causing storage issues, the compressed home directory is
> > too
> > large.
>
> Hardly surprising if you're doing it with tar, which is making a
> complete copy every time. That's the wrong approach. As I mentioned
> earlier, rsnapshot, obnam and others can do incremental backups which
> take up little space. They are also better run as cron jobs, i.e.
> automatically. I run mine when my system is quiescent (4am every day)
> but again that's your call.
>
> And it goes without saying that the backup should be to another machine,
> e.g. using rsync or a net-mounted filesystem.
>
> Note that these are recommendations for a personal system that you can't
> afford to lose. For larger systems you might want to look at solutions
> such as Amanda or Bacula (not that these won't work on a personal system
> as well, they just need a bit more setting up).
>
> poc
>
>
>
>
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> From: Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan at gmail.com>
> To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 09:35:52 -0430
> Subject: Re: How do you keep contacts in Fedora/KDE?
> On Mon, 2013-04-01 at 14:59 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > As a matter of interest, how do those of you running Fedora/KDE
> > keep your contacts?
> > I have a rather messy combination of Google contacts,
> > KAddressBook and LDAP,
> > but would like to organise something simpler.
> > I suspect the simplest solution might be to go over entirely
> > to Google contacts, as I want to keep my contacts in sync
> > with my Android phone.
> >
> > But what do people running Fedora/KDE usually do?
>
> Speaking only for myself, I just keep everything in Google Contacts (I
> also have an Android phone).
>
> Cue flame-war about evil intentions of Google, etc. ...
>
> poc
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Steven Stern <subscribed-lists at sterndata.com>
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 09:33:59 -0500
> Subject: Re: How do you keep contacts in Fedora/KDE?
> On 04/01/2013 09:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2013-04-01 at 14:59 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >> As a matter of interest, how do those of you running Fedora/KDE
> >> keep your contacts?
> >> I have a rather messy combination of Google contacts,
> >> KAddressBook and LDAP,
> >> but would like to organise something simpler.
> >> I suspect the simplest solution might be to go over entirely
> >> to Google contacts, as I want to keep my contacts in sync
> >> with my Android phone.
> >>
> >> But what do people running Fedora/KDE usually do?
> >
> > Speaking only for myself, I just keep everything in Google Contacts (I
> > also have an Android phone).
> >
> > Cue flame-war about evil intentions of Google, etc. ...
> >
> > poc
> >
>
> I, too, keep all my contacts in Google Contacts. They sync to
> Thunderbird via the Google Contacts extension, sync to my iPhone, iPad,
> and Mac.
>
> --
> -- Steve
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: poma <pomidorabelisima at gmail.com>
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:02:24 +0200
> Subject: Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ?
> On 01.04.2013 14:03, Temlakos wrote:
> ...
> >
> > No, but you have MP2 and MP3 sound-only files and MP4 videos. MP4 seems
> > to be the download-of-choice from youtube.com, for example.
>
> - MPEG-1(2) Audio Layer II aka "MP2"
> - MPEG-1(2) Audio Layer III aka "MP3"
> - MPEG-4 Part 3 aka "MPEG-4 Audio"
> - MPEG-4 Part 14 aka "MP4" is a multimedia container
>   for certain types of video, audio and subtitle tracks,
>   same as MKV(матрёшка) itself.
>
> poma
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
> To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:10:59 +0200
> Subject: Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ?
>
>
> Am 01.04.2013 17:02, schrieb poma:
> > On 01.04.2013 14:03, Temlakos wrote:
> > ...
> >>
> >> No, but you have MP2 and MP3 sound-only files and MP4 videos. MP4 seems
> >> to be the download-of-choice from youtube.com, for example.
> >
> > - MPEG-1(2) Audio Layer II aka "MP2"
> > - MPEG-1(2) Audio Layer III aka "MP3"
> > - MPEG-4 Part 3 aka "MPEG-4 Audio"
> > - MPEG-4 Part 14 aka "MP4" is a multimedia container
> >   for certain types of video, audio and subtitle tracks,
> >   same as MKV(матрёшка) itself
>
> Youtube and anything which provides videos for web is using
> H.264/MPEG-4 Part 10 / AVC, to be specific H264 BASELINE PROFILE
> and nothing else in context of "MP4" because THIS is the spec
> which is supported by Smartphones, Tablets, mobile browsers up to
> Firefox on Android in recent releases and most hardware-devices
> including hardware acceleration
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Robert Nichols <rnicholsNOSPAM at comcast.net>
> To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 10:26:13 -0500
> Subject: Re: Fedora 18 existing /usr partition -- need to merge into
> rootfs?
> On 04/01/2013 07:47 AM, Noah Cutler wrote:
>
>> Hey all.
>>
>> I'm confused over the whole separate /usr partition is broken thing:
>> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/**Software/systemd/separate-usr-**is-broken<http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken>
>>
>>  From an email in current fedora-user thread we have:
>> "That should not be necessary.  And would break a very normal system
>> setup of using separate drives, *even more so than the blasted can't have
>> a separate /usr thing that happened recently*."
>>
>> During Fedora 18 fresh install with custom partitioning chosen, Anaconda
>> autocompletes mount points so I went with /boot, /, /user, /var, and /home
>> partitions.
>>
>> Everything appears to work swimmingly here after 1 month of use --
>> separate /usr
>> partition does not appear to be broken...anymore??
>>
>> Just trying to future proof my setup; if it's better to merge /usr into
>> rootfs,
>> so be it, better to do it early days with the new system.
>>
>> Otherwise, if someone can chime in here with some sage partitioning
>> advice as to
>> how to proceed moving forward with Fedora, that would be much appreciated.
>>
>
> If you really want to keep a separate /usr (I do, mounted read-only and
> located on an SSD) you just need to arrange to have /usr mounted by dracut
> early in the boot sequence. It's not hard:
>
> 1. Copy the /usr line from your /etc/fstab into a (probably new) file
>    /etc/fstab.sys .
>
> 2. Edit the file /etc/dracut.conf and change the line
>         #add_dracutmodules+=""
>    to read
>         add_dracutmodules+="fstab-sys"
>
> 3. IMPORTANT: In /etc/fstab, disable the automatic fsck for /usr by
>    putting a zero in field 6.
>
> 4. Run dracut to remake the initramfs in /boot.
>
> That's it.  Now your /usr gets mounted early in the boot sequence.
> It is available when needed, and you can ignore the warning from systemd.
> You will have to make your own arrangement for fsck on your /usr.  If
> you allowed the automatic fsck to run, it would be guaranteed to fail
> since the filesystem is mounted.  (The special handling for the root
> filesystem is hard-coded into fsck and would not apply to a pre-mounted
> /usr.)
>
> --
> Bob Nichols     "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address.
>                 Do NOT delete it.
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: poma <pomidorabelisima at gmail.com>
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:19:05 +0200
> Subject: Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ?
> On 01.04.2013 17:10, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 01.04.2013 17:02, schrieb poma:
> >> On 01.04.2013 14:03, Temlakos wrote:
> >> ...
> >>>
> >>> No, but you have MP2 and MP3 sound-only files and MP4 videos. MP4 seems
> >>> to be the download-of-choice from youtube.com, for example.
> >>
> >> - MPEG-1(2) Audio Layer II aka "MP2"
> >> - MPEG-1(2) Audio Layer III aka "MP3"
> >> - MPEG-4 Part 3 aka "MPEG-4 Audio"
> >> - MPEG-4 Part 14 aka "MP4" is a multimedia container
> >>   for certain types of video, audio and subtitle tracks,
> >>   same as MKV(матрёшка) itself
> >
> > Youtube and anything which provides videos for web is using
> > H.264/MPEG-4 Part 10 / AVC, to be specific H264 BASELINE PROFILE
> > and nothing else in context of "MP4" because THIS is the spec
> > which is supported by Smartphones, Tablets, mobile browsers up to
> > Firefox on Android in recent releases and most hardware-devices
> > including hardware acceleration
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC
> >
>
> Anyhow, OP's question remains unclear.
>
> poma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: poma <pomidorabelisima at gmail.com>
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:26:06 +0200
> Subject: Re: f18...
> On 01.04.2013 09:53, Marc Blanc wrote:
> > Le Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:24:06 +0200,
> > Marc Blanc <arsace at orange.fr> a écrit :
> >
> >
> >> Only mail works.
> >
> > and fortunately yum !
> >
>
> ThunderBrowse :)
> http://thunderbrowse.com/
>
> poma
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Marc Blanc <arsace at orange.fr>
> To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 18:33:10 +0200
> Subject: Re: f18...
> Le Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:33:50 +0200,
> Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>
> >Have you tried starting your browsers in safe-mode and see if some
> >add-on is to blame?  Do you have a proxy setup?  Maybe that is behaving
> >badly?  Do text mode browsers w3m, lynx, and elinks work?
> >
> Yes, nothing works for download (elinks and lynx), and now yum works badly
> !
>
> >You do not provide much information about what you tried and how did it
> >fail.  Some more details should help others on the list diagnose the
> >problem.
> >
>
> I don't have any error messages. I can't to download nothing, only
> sometimes
> with yum. Actually i have reinstalled f17, same problem. To upgrade to f18
> yum stop at midterm like :
>
> kde-filesystem-4-42.fc17.x86_6 FAILED Timeout on
>
> http://ftp.klid.dk/ftp/fedora/linux/updates/17/x86_64/kde-filesystem-4-42.fc17.x86_64.rpm
> :
> (28, '')
>
> http://ftp.klid.dk/ftp/fedora/linux/updates/17/x86_64/kde-filesystem-4-42.fc17.x86_64.rpm
> :
> [Errno 12] Timeout on
>
> http://ftp.klid.dk/ftp/fedora/linux/updates/17/x86_64/kde-filesystem-4-42.fc17.x86_64.rpm
> :
> (28, '')
> ...
>
> I can't to access to the web pages except sites like google...
>
> Tomorrow, i change my modem to check it. Should i return on Windows... ? :)
>
> --
> M.B
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jim <binarynut at comcast.net>
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:45:00 -0400
> Subject: Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ?
> On 03/31/2013 10:55 PM, poma wrote:
>
>> On 01.04.2013 01:55, Jim wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> How can one convert MKV videos to MP2-4 ?
>>>
>> Is there a "MP2-4" video format. :)
>>
>> poma
>>
>>
>>  MP2 or MP4
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:49:49 -0400
> Subject: Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ?
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 04/01/13 07:55, Jim wrote:
>>
>>> F18/Kde
>>>
>>> How can one convert MKV videos to MP2-4 ?
>>>
>>> What app will do it ?
>>>
>>
>> GUI or command line?
>>
>> Miro for GUI
>> ffmpeg for command line
>>
>> I use....
>>
>> /usr/bin/ffmpeg -i $1 -acodec aac -ab 96k -vcodec libx264 -preset slow -f
>> mp4 -crf 22 -strict experimental $1.mp4
>>
>> in a script
>>
>>  Wow, I see why you want it in a script. I confess to being lazy and just
> setting the output filename to {something}.webm and getting a pretty
> portable file. I adjust frame size and video bitrate as needed, generally
> defaults work.
>
> I use "-target ntsc-dvd" a lot to get a file which will go on a DVD should
> I need it.
>
> --
> Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
> To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:53:33 +0200
> Subject: Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ?
>
>
> Am 01.04.2013 18:49, schrieb Bill Davidsen:
> > Ed Greshko wrote:
> >> On 04/01/13 07:55, Jim wrote:
> >>> F18/Kde
> >>>
> >>> How can one convert MKV videos to MP2-4 ?
> >>>
> >>> What app will do it ?
> >>
> >> GUI or command line?
> >>
> >> Miro for GUI
> >> ffmpeg for command line
> >>
> >> I use....
> >>
> >> /usr/bin/ffmpeg -i $1 -acodec aac -ab 96k -vcodec libx264 -preset slow
> -f mp4 -crf 22 -strict experimental $1.mp4
> >>
> >> in a script
> >>
> > Wow, I see why you want it in a script. I confess to being lazy and just
> setting the output filename to
> > {something}.webm and getting a pretty portable file
>
> portable?
>
> * Apple does not support it
> * Microsoft does not support it
> * many mobile devices does not support it
> * most hardware-devices does not support it
>
> don't get me wrong, i owuld love to have VP8 in the position H264
> is, but since it's part of my daily job to write software which
> supports most to all clients with videos that's not how the world
> works for at least some years from now
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Marc Blanc <arsace at orange.fr>
> To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:06:23 +0200
> Subject: Re: f18...
> Le Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:26:06 +0200,
> poma <pomidorabelisima at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>
> >ThunderBrowse :)
> >http://thunderbrowse.com/
>
> Sorry, i can't access to this site :(((((
>
> --
> M.B
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux at gmail.com>
> To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:07:12 +0200
> Subject: Re: f18...
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 06:33:10PM +0200, Marc Blanc wrote:
> >
> > I don't have any error messages. I can't to download nothing, only
> sometimes
> > with yum. Actually i have reinstalled f17, same problem. To upgrade to
> f18
> > yum stop at midterm like :
> >
> > kde-filesystem-4-42.fc17.x86_6 FAILED Timeout on
> >
> http://ftp.klid.dk/ftp/fedora/linux/updates/17/x86_64/kde-filesystem-4-42.fc17.x86_64.rpm
> :
> > (28, '')
> >
> http://ftp.klid.dk/ftp/fedora/linux/updates/17/x86_64/kde-filesystem-4-42.fc17.x86_64.rpm
> :
> > [Errno 12] Timeout on
> >
> http://ftp.klid.dk/ftp/fedora/linux/updates/17/x86_64/kde-filesystem-4-42.fc17.x86_64.rpm
> :
> > (28, '')
> > ...
> >
> > I can't to access to the web pages except sites like google...
> >
> > Tomorrow, i change my modem to check it. Should i return on Windows... ?
> :)
>
> Have you considered the possibility that the problem might be your ISP?
>
> --
> Suvayu
>
> Open source is the future. It sets us free.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jim <binarynut at comcast.net>
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:08:17 -0400
> Subject: Re: Fedora 18 won't print in Landscape mode.
> In KDE.
>
> Goto  /Menu/Administration /Printer Settings/Properties/Job options     #
> Job Options in left column,  and Orientation:in
>                                         #   Landscape (90 degrees) and
> check box "Scale to fit"   and Apply. .
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan at gmail.com>
> To: users at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:37:31 -0430
> Subject: Re: f18...
> On Mon, 2013-04-01 at 19:06 +0200, Marc Blanc wrote:
> > Le Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:26:06 +0200,
> > poma <pomidorabelisima at gmail.com> a écrit :
> >
> >
> > >ThunderBrowse :)
> > >http://thunderbrowse.com/
> >
> > Sorry, i can't access to this site :(((((
>
> Time to start trying crazy ideas. Can you access 108.59.9.142? It's the
> same site as above, but there may be something off with your DNS
> settings. I've had situations where some apps work and others don't, due
> to my /etc/resolv.conf being borked.
>
> poc
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:18:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: Converting MKV videos to MP2 -4 ?
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
>
>> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/01/13 07:55, Jim wrote:
>>>
>>>> F18/Kde
>>>>
>>>> How can one convert MKV videos to MP2-4 ?
>>>>
>>>> What app will do it ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> GUI or command line?
>>>
>>> Miro for GUI
>>> ffmpeg for command line
>>>
>>> I use....
>>>
>>> /usr/bin/ffmpeg -i $1 -acodec aac -ab 96k -vcodec libx264 -preset slow
>>> -f mp4
>>> -crf 22 -strict experimental $1.mp4
>>>
>>> in a script
>>>
>>>  Wow, I see why you want it in a script. I confess to being lazy and
>> just setting
>> the output filename to {something}.webm and getting a pretty portable
>> file. I
>> adjust frame size and video bitrate as needed, generally defaults work.
>>
>>  Hum, tried this with an old cell phone which didn't have the latest and
> greatest updates, the big long script works with old phones, and the ffmpeg
> idea of "webm" doesn't. On the other hand, the mp4 was more than double the
> size, so there are tradeoffs. I suspect the OP wants portability above all.
>
>> I use "-target ntsc-dvd" a lot to get a file which will go on a DVD
>> should I
>> need it.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>
>
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