humble suggestion to Fedora developers

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:46 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 01/31/2013 04:44 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> > On 01/27/2013 06:15 PM, Lailah wrote:
> >> El vie, 25-01-2013 a las 22:40 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik escribió:
> >>> Joe Zeff wrote:
> >>> > On 01/25/2013 12:46 PM, James Freer wrote:
> >>> >> LOL - good reply! I must admit i do get fed up with the twin names. In
> >>> >> the Precise version... it was very much IMprecise. Just too many bugs
> >>> >> now to be worth using.
> >>> >
> >>> > It often seems to me that they're too concerned about making their names
> >>> > cute for my taste, but I don't use it myself and keep my opinion to
> >>> > myself for the most.  Now, alas, it's beginning to look like Fedora's
> >>> > going down that path instead of marketing itself as a serious distro for
> >>> > people who are more interested in how it works than in what it's called.
> >>> >  Alas, from what I can see, unless I'm active as a Fedora dev (My
> >>> > programming skills rusted away decades ago.) the only input I have to the
> >>> > process is making suggestions.  None of us "mere users" have a vote.
> >>>
> >>> Trend which I see in my Linux "neighbourhood" is quite transparent -
> >>> people switch from Fedora elsewhere: some of them to Centos, others
> >>> to different distro, some leave Linux entirely. Perhaps nobody now
> >>> is using Gnome3.
> 
> This matches with what I observe here. On my home network/personal 
> machines, my way to survive was to switch my home-server to CentOS and 
> to resort to Xfce as DE on Fedora clients.
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myself, I use Ubuntu for server and KDE for DE on Fedora clients. At the
time, installing CentOS/RHEL-5 wasn't an option any longer and Red Hat
was ridiculously late delivering RHEL-6 and then CentOS took forever to
get their initial build out the door. Ubuntu LTS versions are
surprisingly good and I haven't regretted the move even a little.
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> >>> I myself was not afraid install Fedora at production workstations and
> >>> servers, even in their beta phase - but it ended with F12-F13 (F14 was
> >>> still good distro, but in beta phase there was unworkable systemd; in
> >>> final release was upstart). And now I install Fedora not before several
> >>> weeks after final releas - and for testing purposes only.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well, is curious...   I see the opposite situation.  People from other
> >> distros  (especially Ubuntu)  dropping into Fedora.  May be a
> >> geographic difference?
> 
> I'd guess, it's people being dissatisfied with what they are used to, 
> now being on a "quest for the better".
> 
>   That said, from what I've heard and read, Ubuntu is in a similar 
> crisis as Fedora. What is Gnome3 in Fedora seems to be Unity in Ubuntu 
> (users turning away), what's the anaconda-disaster in F18 seems to be a 
> general stability in Ubuntu 12.10.
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these meta discussions seem only to highlight the things one doesn't
know about the other. I use both Fedora and Ubuntu. Can use either for
server or desktop and can make myself generally happy with either though
oddly, for servers these days, I am preferring Ubuntu and for desktop
usage, I am preferring Fedora but that could easily change. In the end,
there aren't significant differences. Ubuntu, you enable universe and in
Fedora, you enable rpmfusion-nonfree and you get the source restricted,
patent encumbered and obviously more risky stuff installed. I am
reasonably certain that Ubuntu actually uses Anaconda these days and
it's not an ideal installer but for server installs, it's thin and quick
to get up and running.
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> > I'm pretty much stuck for the moment until I know 18
> > is a little more stable...as for people "jumping ship" even though a few
> > of the releases might have had a lot of bugs...I don't think I'll be
> > leaving Fedora just yet...LoL! I will wait to see if things smooth out
> > by like...19...maybe 20....
> 
> My 2 cents ... stability-wise, from what I've experienced so far, F17 
> and F18 currently seem on par. Also, yum-upgrading existing F17 
> installations to F18 went without many problems for me.
> 
> However, installing F18 probably is a completely different matters ;)
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yes but re-writing the installer seems to always pay dividends down the
road if you try not take the minor breakage that comes with a re-write
to heart.

Craig


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