Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

[Robin Laing]

On 2014-03-28 14:23, Max wrote:
> On 03/25/2014 02:24 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Mar 25, 2014, at 2:41 AM, lee <lee at yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Murphy <lists at colorremedies.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Partitioning took me about three hours with the installer of F19,
>>>>> with a
>>>>> very simple setup and not even data to preserve and neither RAID, nor
>>>>> encryption, and it was only possible after I created the partitions
>>>>> outside the installer.  There was no way to do it with the
>>>>> installer, it
>>>>> kept saying there isn`t enough room despite there was plenty, and
>>>>> it did
>>>>> what it wanted rather than what I wanted.
>>>> Please post the bugzilla URL.
>>> I didn`t make one, I was busy trying to install.  You need to get used
>>> to that not every problem is or can be made into a bug report,
>>> especially not one that would be in any way useful.
>> What I ought to do is not QA Manual Partitioning anymore and just let
>> the people who actually think they need or want it do all the testing
>> and bug reporting for it and let it become whatever it becomes.
>>
>>
>>>> Most of the size reporting problems like this are non-contiguous
>>>> sections of free space being added up and reported as Available space;
>>>> but the request is for a partition size greater than the largest
>>>> contiguously available space.
>>> Maybe it begins with the installer messing together all the disks in
>>> some weird way rather than to treat them separately and just let you
>>> partition them the way you want to.  IIRC, there wasn`t even a way to
>>> tell it which partition to put where.
>> It is possible although the UI isn't obvious. You click on the mount
>> point in question, and then there is this 3rd or 4th button under the
>> mount points section that looks like a wrench and screwdriver (?) that
>> you click. And that brings up a dialog where you choose which drive
>> that mount point's underlying partition appears on.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> It was seriously awful.  It would have taken 10--15 minutes with the
>>>>> Debian installer.
>>>> It isn't going to get better complaining about it on this list. Do you
>>>> have bugzilla IDs, and if so post them. If not, then how do you expect
>>>> the behavior to get any better? Magic?
>>> The makers of the installer can always look into this list and see what
>>> ppl say about the installer and learn from that.
>> No they will not do this, and it's inappropriate to even suggest it.
>> That you don't get that simply means you're ignorant of how the
>> process works.
>>
>>>   Bug reports are not
>>> suited for this, and complaining that ppl don`t make enough of them
>>> doesn`t get you anywhere.
>> Filing a bug report is the process. That's it. It works this way for
>> everything: gnome, kde, and even commercial projects do it this way.
>> They do not have developers hanging out in user forums ever. Sometimes
>> QA people hang out in user forums.
> I believe what you want is a request for enhancement(RFE) because it
> probably works as intended. A clear succinct explanation of what the
> perceived problem is and what the suggested enhancement is or should be
> has to included. Saying you don't like it isn't going to get you
> anywhere. You have to lucidly explain why it falls short and how to
> improve it. You have to appeal to logic not emotion.
>

I agree.  Some are easy as adding a word here or there.  On the 
Installation Destination screen, when you select the drive, it not say 
"Done" on the button but "Next" or "Continue" as there is another 
screen.  This is confusing the first time you run into it.

On the next screen. adding the word customize after review/modify, will 
also help clarify the choice for customized installation.  Modify 
doesn't mean customize to me.

RFE's on bugzilla.  1079655 and 1082890 cover these two points.

One thing I have learned over the years in most of my work.  When 
writing instructions, write them for someone two grade levels below you 
and you should cover all aspects of the task at hand.

Robin