google search on start.fedoraproject.org

Fri Feb 3 17:00:23 UTC 2012

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Richard E. van der Luit
<erech03 at xs4all.nl>wrote:

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> > 1. Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org (Máirín Duffy) 2.
> > Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org (Sijis Aviles) 3. Re:
> > google search on start.fedoraproject.org (Elad Alfassa) 4. Re:
> > [Fedora Infrastructure] #3108: Fedora websites in Polish don't
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> > Fedora websites in Polish don't       work (Fedora Infrastructure) 6. Re:
> > emails and spam harvesters. (Christopher Meng)
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> >  Message: 1 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:43:08 -0500 From: Máirín
> > Duffy <duffy at fedoraproject.org> To: Karsten 'quaid' Wade
> > <kwade at redhat.com> Cc: websites at lists.fedoraproject.org Subject:
> > Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org Message-ID:
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> > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> >> I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the
> >> dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement?
> >
> > The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they want
> > to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not
> > start.fedoraproject.org.
> >
> > E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar,
> > read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia.
> >
> > So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser (Firefox
> > provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too) that shows
> > your most frequently visited sites so you can easily click to
> > access them, since that's what you really want to do.
> >
> > ~m
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:04:07 -0600 From: Sijis Aviles
> > <sijis at fedoraproject.org> To: Máirín Duffy
> > <duffy at fedoraproject.org> Cc: websites at lists.fedoraproject.org
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> > 2012/2/2 Máirín Duffy <duffy at fedoraproject.org>
> >
> >> On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> >>> I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the
> >>> dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement?
> >>
> >> The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they
> >> want to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not
> >> start.fedoraproject.org.
> >>
> >> E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar,
> >> read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia.
> >>
> >> So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser
> >> (Firefox provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too)
> >> that shows your most frequently visited sites so you can easily
> >> click to access them, since that's what you really want to do.
> >>
> >> ~m
> >>
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> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> >>
> >
> > I agree with Mairin, the most folks would want to go to their own
> > website after the launch the browser.
> >
> > The only way I could think of having start.fedoraproject.org being
> > of any use it to link the user to the corresponding Release Notes
> > [1] (as an example). This way the user would have a quick glance of
> > what's new and what has changed and they go on with their daily
> > business. Another reason for going to that page is the "CommonBugs"
> > page which is important, especially after an upgrade.
> >
> > Unless we something like I mention above is done, my thought
> > recently has been to remove it or maybe just replace start.fp.o
> > with  fedoraproject.org
> >
> > Sijis
> >
> > [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Alpha_release_notes
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> > Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:01:55 +0200 From: Elad Alfassa
> > <elad at fedoraproject.org> To: Máirín Duffy
> > <duffy at fedoraproject.org> Cc: websites at lists.fedoraproject.org
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> > 2012/2/2 Máirín Duffy <duffy at fedoraproject.org>
> >
> >> On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> >>> I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the
> >>> dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement?
> >>
> >> The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they
> >> want to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not
> >> start.fedoraproject.org.
> >>
> >> E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar,
> >> read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia.
> >>
> >> So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser
> >> (Firefox provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too)
> >> that shows your most frequently visited sites so you can easily
> >> click to access them, since that's what you really want to do.
> >>
> >> ~m
> >>
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> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> >>
> >
> >
> > I'd say we keep Firefox's default about:home, we don't change
> > default homepage in other browsers, so we shouldn't change it on
> > Firefox as well (stick to upstream policy).
> >
> > The dashboard idea sounds good though, especially because more
> > GNOME applications are going to have these soon (
> >
> https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree/Features/Blank%20slate%20helps%20you%20get%20started
> ).
> >
> >
> We could install this Firefox extension you are talking about by default
> > with Fedora if it's stable enough (and 100% free with no legal
> > issues). If you link me to the specific extension, I'll try to get
> > it packaged (if it isn't already), which is the first thing we need
> > to make it default.
>
> As some of you probably know, i always have an eye on peoples privacy,
> therefor i think it is Fedoras responsibility to guard ones privacy
> whenever and where ever it can, as being Free in so many ways.
>
> Opening a web browser to an outside site always immediately generates
> privacy-data to that site, whether the user wants it or not (at least
> you generate IP-traffic).
>
> There are many people who always want to be in control of what data
> they send, when and to whom.
>
> The only good choice imho the Fedora Project can make regarding this
> issue, is starting with a local page or with 'about:blank' thus
> letting users choose by their selves where to go next on the web.
>
>
> regards
> Richard
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Firefox's about:home is a local page.
Mo's idea is also 100% local.
-- 
-Elad Alfassa.
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