F18 TC3 No Logout Option?: Wonko the Sane

[Kamil Paral]

> On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 06:45 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > > 
> > > When I click on the User Name in the right corner the options
> > > are....
> > >  Notifications, System Settings, Lock, and Power Off.  Am I
> > >  missing
> > > something?
> > 
> > This is a new feature from the GNOME team (i.e. it's intended).
> > They believe there are no use cases for logging out, if you have
> > just a single user.
> 
> Just read the thread up to current.... Am I the only one who thinks
> this
> conversation is insane?
> 
> So now there will be logic to carefully look at whether there is more
> than one user account, then look to see if more than one session
> installed.  Then the startx case may or may not (I'd bet not) be
> dealt
> with.  And sometimes when you run updates you get a message about
> needing to log off and back on and sometimes you are told to reboot
> so I
> suppose that needs to also be accounted for.. or just always force
> reboots since apparently Windows is now our lodestar.
> 
> All these bugs to deal with just to remove a menu option that wasn't
> hurting anyone.  So I take it all other problems are now solved and
> we
> are free to waste time twisting knobs just for the heck of it now?
> 
> People expect to be log in and then log out of machines, online
> services, pretty much everywhere.  Where is the study showing this is
> confusing the always mythical hordes of AOLers who are supposed to be
> clammoring to welcome to the Penguin's icy embrace if we could only
> dumb
> it down just one notch below a Mac?  Where?  Anyone?  Beuller?
> 
> Maybe, just maybe, I want to log out when I'm not using the machine
> because I have good security habits.  A modern machine has good
> enough
> power management that powering down completely is usually overkill,
> or
> have you guys just woke up from a coma and think it is still the
> 1990's?
> Any of you geniuses thought about that use case?  Haven't security
> people been hammering that one into people's thick skulls since long
> before Linus was acrolling aaaaas and bbbbs across a screen and
> getting
> grandiose notions of world domination?  Yes they have.  And this
> change
> hoses all that effort.
> 
> There is exactly one use case where eliminating the logout option
> almost
> makes sense, the case where a machine is set to automatically login
> an
> account on boot.  But that still doesn't cover every possibility
> without
> a lot of extra effort.
> 
> Now you kids get the heck off my lawn and go reread "baggy pantsing"
> in
> the Jargon File.

I have to say I agree with you. They create too much complexity (which will be broken by definition) to create a tiny simplification. This is an example of overkill.

But I also have to say that GNOME mailing list/bugzilla/IRC is a much better place to direct your feedback, because just a few members of the GNOME team might read it here, and even that's not granted.