The new installer

[Carl G]

Chuck, I don't know what you're trying to say/achieve here...

2012/9/11 Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R <caf at omen.com>

>
> On 09/11/2012 10:58 AM, David Lehman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 10:24 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/11/2012 08:07 AM, David Lehman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 14:07 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Had a frustrating experience with the fat cow installer.
>>>>> Something in one of the selections I made had a
>>>>> missing dependency (or whatever).  Missing dependencies
>>>>> are a part of developmental installs.
>>>>>
>>>>> What was most frustrating is that the installer did not
>>>>> indicate which selection was causing the problem.  I
>>>>> had to go into whack-a-mole mode, repeatedly removing
>>>>> selections and retrying until the offending package was
>>>>> removed.
>>>>>
>>>> If you cannot tolerate an alpha installer, try _not_ tempting fate by
>>>> doing a simple, minimal install. That means automatic partitioning
>>>> (expect us to wipe the disks you select) and a minimal package set. Once
>>>> you're out of the horrible installer you can customize to your heart's
>>>> content.
>>>>
>>>>  There are so many things wrong with this bagbiter installer.
>>>>> Why can't Fedora use the Fedora 16 installer, which was
>>>>> relatively friendly and much more useful.
>>>>>
>>>> You can always use yum to update from one release to the next.
>>>>
>>>> I know it can be frustrating, but if you want to run alpha releases of a
>>>> by-definition bleeding-edge distribution, that means things change. Not
>>>> just the things you personally want changed.
>>>>
>>>>  What was so wrong with the working installer that required
>>>>> writing a new one from scratch?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R     caf at omen.com   www.omen.com
>>>>> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications
>>>>>      Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
>>>>> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231   503-614-0430
>>>>>
>>>>>  In my experience using Yum to update to a new release has
>>> resulted in a defective system.  And there is always the
>>> possibility that hardware failures may oblige me to make
>>> a fresh install.  A processor upgrade usually demands a
>>> fresh install.
>>>
>> As I said before, the alpha can be installed if you keep the tweaking to
>> a minimum during installation.
>>
>>  Then there is a question of prominently showing substandard
>>> software to the public.  We all know about first impressions
>>> in social settings.  In operating systems it is the installer that
>>> makes the first impressions.
>>>
>> If you're showing people a (pre-)Alpha as their first impression of
>> Fedora then the blame for that poor judgment lies with you.
>>
>>
>>  I am not showing pre-alpha Fedora to anyone.
> I am not discussing it anywhere except on this list.
> I am certainly not announcing anything on Distrowatch et al.
>
>
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> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R     caf at omen.com   www.omen.com
> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications
>   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231   503-614-0430
>
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