From: "Neal Gompa" <ngompa13(a)gmail.com>
To: "Pavel Valena" <pvalena(a)redhat.com>
Cc: developer-portal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, "Radka Janekova"
<rjanekov(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 11:44:41 PM
Subject: [Developer-portal] Re: FDP release and statistics 10/2017: C# IDEs and Mono
updates; Python, Docker and
Haskell fixes
On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Pavel Valena <pvalena(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pavel Valena" <pvalena(a)redhat.com>
>> To: "Neal Gompa" <ngompa13(a)gmail.com>, "Radka
Janekova"
>> <rjanekov(a)redhat.com>
>> Cc: developer-portal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>> Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:44:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Developer-portal] FDP release and statistics 10/2017: C#
>> IDEs and Mono updates; Python, Docker and
>> Haskell fixes
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Neal Gompa" <ngompa13(a)gmail.com>
>> > To: "Pavel Valena" <pvalena(a)redhat.com>
>> > Cc: developer-portal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 1:24:21 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Developer-portal] FDP release and statistics 10/2017: C#
>> > IDEs
>> > and Mono updates; Python, Docker and
>> > Haskell fixes
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Pavel Valena <pvalena(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>> > > Hello,
>> > >
>> > > new Fedora Developer Portal release is prepared on staging and will
be
>> > > deployed tomorrow by EOD.
>> > >
>> > > New and updated content
>> > > - C#: IDEs page[1] by Radka Janek <radka.janek(a)redhat.com>
>> > > and Mickael Istria <mistria(a)redhat.com>
>> <snip/>
>> > >
>> >
>> > Why are we referencing JetBrains' proprietary Rider in our developer
>> > documentation? It was already a bit of a stretch with Visual Studio
>>
>> Just a note: It's not a documentation[1] and it's not meant to be in
any
>> way.
>> Aimed on Developers, solely, and addressing their needs[2].
>>
>> > Code, given that literally no one is working on bringing that into
>> > Fedora (but at least it is open source), but this is straight-up
>> > advocating for nonfree software, which entirely _not the point_ of
>> > Fedora Developer site.
>>
>> Neal, the not-being-in-Fedora is actually acceptable on Developer Portal.
>> The
>> portal aims to give guidance[1] for developers *on* Fedora, not
>> necessarily
>> contributing *to* Fedora[3] (or along its guidelines).
>> Regarding that, I think About page[2] ought be fixed to reflect that more
>> clearly (any volunteers? :)).
>>
>> From IDEs page Summary:
>> """What would we recommend? JetBrains Rider is the best C# IDE,
however it
>> is
>> not open source."""
>>
>> I do, however, agree that *recommended* apps or tooling should be the Open
>> Source ones. Even though It's not forbidden AFAIK.
>>
>> Thank you for your feedback!
>>
>> [1]
http://developer-portal.github.io/contributing/write-introduction.html
>> [2]
https://developer.stg.fedoraproject.org/about.html
>> [3]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Developer#Target_Audience
>>
>> --
>>
>> Radko, can you please change the order of paragraphs to reflect Fedoras'
>> stand-point, and recommend an Open-Source alternative? I'd also like the
>> JetBrains paragraph to stress that the software is proprietary and
>> closed-source.
>> Websites' deploment is postponed until this is resolved. Alternatively, I
>> can
>> delete the paragraph from resulting web page.
>
> I've deloyed the website without the JetBrains block.
> Pavel
>
I still see it in prod:
https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/csharp/csharp-ide.html
I assume you mean staging, where I don't see it anymore:
https://developer.stg.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/csharp/csharp-ide....
Well, I do not. It's been on staging since yesterday and it will, hopefully, get soon
to the main website.
What I've ment by "deployed" is that I've merged the changes into
gits' release branch[1].
Those are consequently (usually in few hours) pulled by Website team, in an automated way,
and reflected on an actual website.
From a different point of view, I simply did not expect anyone reading the email at
11:40pm on Saturday, few minutes after I've sent it. :)
Thanks for checking!
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