[Developer-portal] Re: FDP release and statistics 10/2017: C# IDEs and Mono updates; Python, Docker and Haskell fixes

[Pavel Valena]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neal Gompa" 
> To: "Pavel Valena" 
> Cc: [e-mail], "Radka Janekova" 
> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 11:44:41 PM
> Subject: [Developer-portal] Re: FDP release and statistics 10/2017: C# IDEs and Mono updates; Python, Docker and
> Haskell fixes
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Pavel Valena  wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Pavel Valena" 
> > > To: "Neal Gompa" , "Radka Janekova"
> > >
> > > Cc: [e-mail]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:44:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Developer-portal] FDP release and statistics 10/2017: C#
> > > IDEs and Mono updates; Python, Docker and
> > > Haskell fixes
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Neal Gompa" 
> > > > To: "Pavel Valena" 
> > > > Cc: [e-mail]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 1:24:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Developer-portal] FDP release and statistics 10/2017: C#
> > > > IDEs
> > > > and Mono updates; Python, Docker and
> > > > Haskell fixes
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Pavel Valena  wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > new Fedora Developer Portal release is prepared on staging and will be
> > > > > deployed tomorrow by EOD.
> > > > >
> > > > > New and updated content
> > > > > C#: IDEs page[1] by Radka Janek 
> > > > >                  and Mickael Istria
> > >
> > > <snip/>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why are we referencing JetBrains' proprietary Rider in our developer
> > > > documentation? It was already a bit of a stretch with Visual Studio
> > >
> > > Just a note: It's not a documentation[1] and it's not meant to be in any
> > > way.
> > > Aimed on Developers, solely, and addressing their needs[2].
> > > > Code, given that literally no one is working on bringing that into
> > > > Fedora (but at least it is open source), but this is straight-up
> > > > advocating for nonfree software, which entirely _not the point_ of
> > > > Fedora Developer site.
> > >
> > > Neal, the not-being-in-Fedora is actually acceptable on Developer Portal.
> > > The
> > > portal aims to give guidance[1] for developers *on* Fedora, not
> > > necessarily
> > > contributing *to* Fedora[3] (or along its guidelines).
> > > Regarding that, I think About page[2] ought be fixed to reflect that more
> > > clearly (any volunteers? :)).
> > >
> > > From IDEs page Summary:
> > > """What would we recommend? JetBrains Rider is the best C# IDE, however it
> > > is
> > > not open source."""
> > >
> > > I do, however, agree that *recommended* apps or tooling should be the Open
> > > Source ones. Even though It's not forbidden AFAIK.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your feedback!
> > >
> > > [1] http://developer-portal.github.io/contributing/write-introduction.html
> > > [2] https://developer.stg.fedoraproject.org/about.html
> > > [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Developer#Target_Audience
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Radko, can you please change the order of paragraphs to reflect Fedoras'
> > > stand-point, and recommend an Open-Source alternative? I'd also like the
> > > JetBrains paragraph to stress that the software is proprietary and
> > > closed-source.
> > > Websites' deploment is postponed until this is resolved. Alternatively, I
> > > can
> > > delete the paragraph from resulting web page.
> >
> > I've deloyed the website without the JetBrains block.
> > Pavel
>
> I still see it in prod:
> https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/csharp/csharp-ide.html
>
> I assume you mean staging, where I don't see it anymore:
> https://developer.stg.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/csharp/csharp-ide.htm...

Well, I do not. It's been on staging since yesterday and it will, hopefully, get soon to the main website.

What I've ment by "deployed" is that I've merged the changes into gits' release branch[1].
Those are consequently (usually in few hours) pulled by Website team, in an automated way, and reflected on an actual website.

From a different point of view, I simply did not expect anyone reading the email at 11:40pm on Saturday, few minutes after I've sent it. :)

Thanks for checking!

[1] https://github.com/developer-portal/developer.fedoraproject.org/tree/release

Pavel