October 2007 - fonts - Fedora Mailing-Lists

Re: [Fedora-fonts-list] default Arabic font for F9?

by Nicolas Mailhot

Le Ven 26 octobre 2007 03:58, Jens Petersen a écrit : > Nicolas Mailhot さんは書きました: >> This is the plan, but upstream is late in merging farsi. We may make >> it >> the default even if farsi is not merged, but that needs to be >> discussed. > > Ok. You mean the default font for Fedora, right, not just Arabic? It's pretty much the same thing as the blocker to make the non-lgc DejaVu a distribution default was arabic/farsi conflicts last time the problem was raised. >> IMHO we should take F9T1 as deadline to decide on this. > > For the final decision, sure. But I think we should make the changes > in > comps for testing long before that so that there is sufficient time to > evaluate it. Personally I would be tempted to just go ahead and do it > early and see what happens. I guess dejavu-lgc-fonts users should not > notice any difference, right? LGC users won't notice the difference and lgc will still be available in the repo for people that do not like a dejavu-full default and prefer lgc only. I suppose you can make changes in F9 comps now. It's not as if anyone but hardcore rawhide users will see them before test1 (and if we finally decide not to do it it can be undone later easily) Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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[Fedora-fonts-list] [Bug 356181] New: freetype2.pc version error

by Red Hat Bugzilla

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356181 Summary: freetype2.pc version error Product: Fedora Version: f7 Platform: x86_64 OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: low Component: freetype AssignedTo: besfahbo(a)redhat.com ReportedBy: stevech1097(a)yahoo.com.au QAContact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org CC: fedora-fonts-list(a)redhat.com >From Bugzilla Helper: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070718 Fedora/2.0.0.5-1.fc7 Firefox/2.0.0.5 Description of problem: The file /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/freetype2.pc has the line "Version: 9.15.3" I believe the version number should be 2.3.4, the same as the rpm package version number. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): freetype-devel-2.3.4-3.fc7 How reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. View the file /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/freetype2.pc 2. 3. Actual Results: Expected Results: Additional info: -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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[Fedora-fonts-list] [Bug 355271] Konqueror should respect fontconfig aliasing

by Red Hat Bugzilla

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Konqueror should respect fontconfig aliasing https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=355271 apodtele(a)ucsd.edu changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|fontconfig |kdebase ------- Additional Comments From apodtele(a)ucsd.edu 2007-10-28 10:48 EST ------- I am leaning to the same conclusion now. This is a konqueror oversight. - A website should know better when it requests Arial. Arial should then give enough unicode coverage and, most likely, so should Liberation Sans. - When a page requests Sans rather than Arial, DejaVu is a better choice. - On an international desktop, DajaVu is better, because of better coverage. So the current configuration is pretty reasonable. Liberation is a substitute for Microsoft fonts and that is it. It is not a universal desktop font. Konqueror is wrong ignoring Arial in favor of Sans-serif. The konqueror behavior is unlikely to change before KDE4. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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[Fedora-fonts-list] Some wiki updates

by Nicolas Mailhot

Hi all, I've fleshed out a little the packaging http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Packaging section of the wiki in preparation of FPC submission. Please check (and complete/correct/yell). It's still lacking any info on legacy X11 core fonts or bitmap packaging, as I don't do them myself, so that's for someone else to document. Also it'd be nice if the people interested in this week's Anne Wilson's font design question (or Anne herself) summed-up the answers and contributed a nice wiki page so future would-be designers don't have to ask. That's something that clearly belongs in the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Dev section. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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[Fedora-fonts-list] [Bug 355271] Konqueror should respect fontconfig aliasing

by Red Hat Bugzilla

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Konqueror should respect fontconfig aliasing https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=355271 nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |besfahbo(a)redhat.com OtherBugsDependingO| |235705 nThis| | AssignedTo|besfahbo(a)redhat.com |than(a)redhat.com Keywords|FutureFeature | Summary|Liberation fonts as default |Konqueror should respect |serif, sans, mono |fontconfig aliasing ------- Additional Comments From nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net 2007-10-28 05:30 EST ------- (In reply to comment #2) > > So, I am guessing, konqueror is happy to find sans-serif in css, even though > arial is the first choice there. And thus it's not a problem in distro font choices but a problem in kde code > As far as unicode coverage goes. Liberation family covers 654 glyphs including > basic and extended latin, greek, and cyrillic. This is indeed less than ~1500 > in standard MS fonts or DejaVu, but pretty good. Actually dejavu sans has ~ 5000 glyphs at last count, so there's almost a 10× difference (and the default has been dejavu lgc sans which is smaller but the default is likely to change for F9). Not that's the only or most important factor in the default font choice, but it's one of them. Moreover you can ask for changes/fixes in dejavu and get them a month later, whereas the whole fedora → red hat → ascender circuit has till to prove it could treat a single request. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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[Fedora-fonts-list] [Bug 355271] Liberation fonts as default serif, sans, mono

by Red Hat Bugzilla

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Liberation fonts as default serif, sans, mono https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=355271 ------- Additional Comments From apodtele(a)ucsd.edu 2007-10-27 18:05 EST ------- Firefox *already* uses Liberation family displaying www.yahoo.com, www.cnn.com, bbcnews.com, etc., because fontconfig *already* aliases Times New Roman, Arial, and Courier to Liberation family (/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-aliases-fedora.conf). So, I am guessing, konqueror is happy to find sans-serif in css, even though arial is the first choice there. Firefox attempts to find arial first, trusts fontconfig to do so, and succeeds. I don't know which is best approach, but Firefox now looks so much better than konqueror. As far as unicode coverage goes. Liberation family covers 654 glyphs including basic and extended latin, greek, and cyrillic. This is indeed less than ~1500 in standard MS fonts or DejaVu, but pretty good. Maybe, it is too early to switch konqueror to Liberation family by default, but I will keep my own new settings. I hope that the availability of these MS-metric-compatible fonts will be reflected in the release notes of the fedora-kde spin or something. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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[Fedora-fonts-list] [Bug 355271] Liberation fonts as default serif, sans, mono

by Red Hat Bugzilla

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Liberation fonts as default serif, sans, mono https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=355271 rdieter(a)math.unl.edu changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |rdieter(a)math.unl.edu, | |fedora-fonts-list(a)redhat.com AssignedTo|rdieter(a)math.unl.edu |besfahbo(a)redhat.com Component|kde-settings |fontconfig Keywords| |FutureFeature Summary|Liberation fonts for |Liberation fonts as default |konqueror if possible |serif, sans, mono ------- Additional Comments From rdieter(a)math.unl.edu 2007-10-27 13:37 EST ------- We'll continue to use what fedora uses as the default for serif, sans, mono. So, the best approach here, imo, would be to lobby for *those* defaults to be changed. Reassigning -> fontconfig Mind you, there's way more at stake here than just looks e.g. language, character coverage. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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[Fedora-fonts-list] [Bug 490609] New: Font selector is limiting styles for default aliases

by gnome-control-center (bugzilla.gnome.org)

If you have any questions why you received this email, please see the text at the end of this email. Replies to this email are NOT read, please see the text at the end of this email. You can add comments to this bug at: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490609 gtk+ | gtk | Ver: 2.12.x Summary: Font selector is limiting styles for default aliases Product: gtk+ Version: 2.12.x Platform: Other OS/Version: Linux Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: Normal Component: gtk AssignedTo: gtk-bugs(a)gtk.org ReportedBy: Nicolas.Mailhot(a)LaPoste.net QAContact: gtk-bugs(a)gtk.org CC: fedora-fonts-list(a)redhat.com GNOME version: Unspecified GNOME milestone: Unspecified More and more fonts are available with more than the 4 legacy regular/italic/bold/bold italic styles (dejavu is such an example) If you make such a font the default "Sans" "Serif" or "Monospace", however, only the 4 legacy styles will be exposed via the "Sans" "Serif" or "Monospace" aliases keithp in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12236 writes the problem is gtk-side -- See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/page.cgi?id=email.html for more info about why you received this email, why you can't respond via email, how to stop receiving emails (or reduce the number you receive), and how to contact someone if you are having problems with the system. You can add comments to this bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490609.

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[Fedora-fonts-list] [Bug 12939] API for querying languages and their charsets

by bugzilla-daemon＠freedesktop.org

http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12939 ------- Comment #6 from nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net 2007-10-27 01:46 PST ------- Thanks! If we can have a nice standard tool we may even start adding a language coverage table in %doc to other font packages in Fedora. The table is a quick way for users to check their script is covered by foo font (which may or may not be a problem for them) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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[Fedora-fonts-list] [Bug 12939] API for querying languages and their charsets

by bugzilla-daemon＠freedesktop.org

http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12939 ------- Comment #5 from freedesktop(a)behdad.org 2007-10-26 15:14 PST ------- I try to write fc-scan to do just that... Nicolas, the only thing DejaVu will lose is the language names. They can of course use iso639 package to lookup language names. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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