[Bug 2186953] New: Irrelevant fonts in the English install (KDE spin)

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2186953

Bug ID: 2186953
           Summary: Irrelevant fonts in the English install (KDE spin)
           Product: Fedora
           Version: 37
            Status: NEW
         Component: Fonts
          Severity: medium
          Assignee: [e-mail]
          Reporter: [e-mail]
        QA Contact: [e-mail]
  Target Milestone: ---
    Classification: Fedora

Created attachment 1957563
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Unnecessary fonts

I've just installed the KDE spin with the US English settings, and see tens of
completely irrelevant fonts for characters sets I have no use form (cuneiform
even).

I know I can remove these manually, but it would be nice to not have them
installed to begin with.

[Bug 2186953] Irrelevant fonts in the English install (KDE spin)

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2186953

--- Comment #1 from [e-mail] ---
Created attachment 1957564
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Chinese input methods in US English install

Also, a "Chinese Pinyin input method" component was installed and visible in
Discover, and a "Zhuyin" one.

[Bug 2186953] Irrelevant fonts in the English install (KDE spin)

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Jens Petersen  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Jens Petersen  ---
Hi, well I understand your point, but these packages are really relevant to
some users.
At the same time the world had/has been becoming more global and
international...
Maybe what we should do though is to make it easier to remove and install these
kinds of packages.
'langpacks' meta packages is a first step in this direction.
In fact we are thinking to introduce more fonts meta packages in Fedora 39
which may help with this too.

[Bug 2186953] Irrelevant fonts in the English install (KDE spin)

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--- Comment #3 from [e-mail] ---
Created attachment 1957781
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Ridiculous font drop-down
> but these packages are really relevant to some users

Those users are a tiny minority, and the vast majority suffers from
interminable font drop downs like in the screencast.

Those users most likely will install in their language (in which case
installing all the fonts is fair game).

And the amount of users who SIMULTANEOUSLY need Khmer and Devangari and
Anatolian Hieroglyphs, is zero.
> Maybe what we should do though is to make it easier to remove and install these kinds of packages.

Why are these fonts opt-out post-install and not opt-in pre-install?

What if the installer had a list of fonts? Then the users who really need them
will select them and proceed. Heck, even select them all by default - that
would still give a chance to the vast majority to unselect them. And I'd bet
that at that point, when it's readily visible how much font junk would get
installed by default, we'd get tickets to make them *unselected* by default.

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Akira TAGOH  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Akira TAGOH  ---
> Why are these fonts opt-out post-install and not opt-in pre-install?

Because that will makes Live image unusable. one who wants to use on
non-English will always needs to install Live. that is opposed to the idea on
Live.

[Bug 2186953] Irrelevant fonts in the English install (KDE spin)

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--- Comment #5 from [e-mail] ---
I don't know exactly how Live replicates itself to another disk, but at some
point before the file copying process starts, would it be possible to ask the
user about fonts? Perhaps in the language chooser dialog?

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--- Comment #6 from Jens Petersen  ---
(In reply to ddascalescu from comment #3)
> Created attachment 1957781 [details]
> Ridiculous font drop-down

Okay I had a look too: it does seem that Libreoffice Writer has considerably
more font entries showing under Fedora KDE than Fedora Gnome at least.
It might related to Qt's font handling too.
> Why are these fonts opt-out post-install and not opt-in pre-install?

Well currently most install images are static, so changes can only be made
post-install
and we want to support localized installations as Akira mentioned.

[Bug 2186953] Irrelevant fonts in the English install (KDE spin)

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--- Comment #7 from Akira TAGOH  ---
(In reply to ddascalescu from comment #5)
> I don't know exactly how Live replicates itself to another disk, but at some
> point before the file copying process starts, would it be possible to ask
> the user about fonts? Perhaps in the language chooser dialog?

I'm not concerned about install from Live. as I said, the problem is that
non-English speakers can't use Live WITHOUT installing. I mean they can't just
try it out.
Some font packages is huge to install on overlay storage.

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Akira TAGOH  changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Akira TAGOH  ---
Moving to 39. We have new feature in f39 to improve default fonts handling as
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ImproveDefaultFontHandling.

Please make sure that you don't have "default-fonts" installed otherwise try
"rpm -e --nodeps default-fonts" first.
then do "dnf remove" undesired language default fonts packages such as
default-fonts-other* and/or default-fonts-<langtag> meta pcakges.

Please let us know if you have any further issues.

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Parag Nemade  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Parag Nemade  ---
We discussed this bug in our Fedora bi-weekly meeting today. Concluded that we
have no more thing left to discuss here.
User can remove fonts as per steps given in above comment by Akira.