[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 475063] New: UI issues in iok

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Summary: UI issues in iok

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=475063

           Summary: UI issues in iok
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: medium
          Priority: low
         Component: iok
        AssignedTo: pnemade(a)redhat.com
        ReportedBy: mclasen(a)redhat.com
         QAContact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
                CC: pnemade(a)redhat.com, fedora-i18n-bugs(a)redhat.com
   Estimated Hours: 0.0
    Classification: Fedora


Some issues I noticed while I briefly looked at iok:

- First a general issue: I believe it would be much more useful if iok would
appear less like a normal unfocused application window, and more like some
special desktop component. Ie, I would remove the window title and menubar, and
maybe place the window at some fixed place, e.g. above the bottom panel
(compare matchbox-keyboard).

- It seems somewhat pointless to have an "Advanced Options" check menuitem with
the sole purpose of hiding and showing another menu. Also, I wonder why you
think that "Open" is less advanced than "Save".

- The buttons are pretty hard to hit on a big screen,since they don't reserve
any extra size beyond the dimensions of the character. (compare
gnome-calculator, which does ensure that its buttons have reasonable size)

- The entries in the combobox should be translatable language names, like
"Assamese", not technobabble like "as-inscript". If you use the
iso-codes
package for this, you get translations of the language names for free.

- The "Open" menuitem doesn't give any guidance as to what kind of file you
are
expected to open. I'd recommend to make that "Open keymap", add a filter to
the
filechooser that only shows .mim files, and opening the file chooser in the
/usr/share/m17n directory.

- "Save keymap" would be better if it opened a file chooser in save mode, and
proposed a filename like 'modified-as-inscript.mim'.

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--- Comment #1 from Parag <pnemade(a)redhat.com&gt;  2008-12-08 03:27:28 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #0)
>  Some issues I noticed while I briefly looked at iok:
>   
Thanks for having brief look.

>  - First a general issue: I believe it would be much more useful if
> iok would
>  appear less like a normal unfocused application window, and more like some
>  special desktop component. Ie, I would remove the window title and menubar, and
>  maybe place the window at some fixed place, e.g. above the bottom panel
>  (compare matchbox-keyboard). 
  I will think about that as I saw its difflicult to close matchbox-keyboard
once its started. Even then how can I provide features to save keymap,open
keymap if I removed menubar?


>  
>  - It seems somewhat pointless to have an "Advanced Options" check menuitem
> with
>  the sole purpose of hiding and showing another menu. Also, I wonder why you
>  think that "Open" is less advanced than "Save". 
  Sorry I confused here what you want to suggest.

>  
>  - The buttons are pretty hard to hit on a big screen,since they don't reserve
>  any extra size beyond the dimensions of the character. (compare
>  gnome-calculator, which does ensure that its buttons have reasonable size) 
  The reason I removed specific size to button is that UI varies from language
to language. Like telugu, Kannada characters are big in size so UI's
size(height as well as in lenght) will vary as you change from Hindi inscript
to Telugu inscript map.
  Will check gcalctool source to fix above issue.

>  
>  - The entries in the combobox should be translatable language names, like
>  "Assamese", not technobabble like "as-inscript". If you use the
> iso-codes
>  package for this, you get translations of the language names for free. 
  Ok. So for standard installed inscript maps I will use Language names. How do
you like to see then modfied keymaps for same language in combo box?


>  - The "Open" menuitem doesn't give any guidance as to
> what kind of file you are
>  expected to open. I'd recommend to make that "Open keymap", add a filter to
> the
>  filechooser that only shows .mim files, and opening the file chooser in the
>  /usr/share/m17n directory. 
  Done.
>  
>  - "Save keymap" would be better if it opened a file chooser in save mode, and
>  proposed a filename like 'modified-as-inscript.mim'. 
   What do you suggest if end user want to change as-inscript say 2 times and
want to have those 2 copies? I actually confused where should modified keymaps
go. Currently, as non-root user can't write to /usr/share/m17n, I am storing
new/modified keymaps in $HOME/.m17n which is not good location as its hidden
directory but iok is made to list keymaps in $HOME/.m17n directory.

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--- Comment #2 from Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com&gt;  2008-12-08 10:59:17 EDT
---

>  
>  > - First a general issue: I believe it would be much more useful if iok would
>  > appear less like a normal unfocused application window, and more like some
>  > special desktop component. Ie, I would remove the window title and menubar, and
>  > maybe place the window at some fixed place, e.g. above the bottom panel
>  > (compare matchbox-keyboard).
>  
>    I will think about that as I saw its difflicult to close matchbox-keyboard
>  once its started. Even then how can I provide features to save keymap,open
>  keymap if I removed menubar? 
I was thinking that you could add a button that brings up a configuration
dialog. 

>  > 
>  > - It seems somewhat pointless to have an "Advanced Options" check menuitem
> with
>  > the sole purpose of hiding and showing another menu. Also, I wonder why you
>  > think that "Open" is less advanced than "Save".
>  
>    Sorry I confused here what you want to suggest. 
I wasn't clear. I think there is no point in having the "Advanced Options"
menuitem if its sole purpose is to hide the other menu. Either just show the
"Keys" menu always, or, if you want to make it more obvious that this is
'advanced' stuff, turn the "Advanced Options" menuitem into a submenu
with
those options.


>    The reason I removed specific size to button is that UI varies from
> language
>  to language. Like telugu, Kannada characters are big in size so UI's
>  size(height as well as in lenght) will vary as you change from Hindi inscript
>  to Telugu inscript map.
>    Will check gcalctool source to fix above issue. 
They don't have to be all the same size, but having a reasonable minimal size
would be nice, since they are just too small to hit.

>  > - The entries in the combobox should be translatable language
> names, like
>  > "Assamese", not technobabble like "as-inscript". If you use the
> iso-codes
>  > package for this, you get translations of the language names for free.
>  
>    Ok. So for standard installed inscript maps I will use Language names. How do
>  you like to see then modfied keymaps for same language in combo box? 
I mostly care about the standard ones that will be there by default. For 
modified keymaps, you can either just show the basename of the file, or 
enhance the saving ui to ask for a name in addition to a filename.

>  > 
>  > - "Save keymap" would be better if it opened a file chooser in save mode,
> and
>  > proposed a filename like 'modified-as-inscript.mim'.
>  
>     What do you suggest if end user want to change as-inscript say 2 times and
>  want to have those 2 copies? I actually confused where should modified keymaps
>  go. Currently, as non-root user can't write to /usr/share/m17n, I am storing
>  new/modified keymaps in $HOME/.m17n which is not good location as its hidden
>  directory but iok is made to list keymaps in $HOME/.m17n directory. 
Obviously, modified keymaps have to be stored in the users home directory
somewhere. ~/.m17n seems a fine location for that. I don't think it is a
problem that it is hidden. The important thing is that the files show up in the
tool that they are made for, and you seem to have that covered.

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--- Comment #3 from Parag <pnemade(a)redhat.com&gt;  2008-12-15 23:24:54 EDT ---
Just to update I am working on fixing issues reported in this bug

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--- Comment #4 from Parag <pnemade(a)redhat.com&gt;  2009-01-21 23:01:58 EDT ---
With iok-1.2.0 release, button sizes are now good to be hit using mouse. About
making iok remove window titlebar and menubar, I will think on it later on as
we also need keymap customizing features in same iok window interface.

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--- Comment #5 from Parag <pnemade(a)redhat.com&gt;  2009-02-08 22:53:36 EDT ---
Closing this for now. KLindly open new bug if still some problem is seen in
iok-1.2.0 release.

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