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           Summary: description of "source" in bash in posix mode wrong
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: medium
          Priority: low
         Component: man-pages-ja
        AssignedTo: tagoh(a)redhat.com
        ReportedBy: mtasaka(a)ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
         QAContact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
                CC: tagoh(a)redhat.com, fedora-i18n-bugs(a)redhat.com
   Estimated Hours: 0.0
    Classification: Fedora


Description of problem:
In :
bash-3.2-29.fc10.i386
bash-4.0-rc1.1.fc11.i386
LANG=C man bash says:
-----------------------------------------
source:
......
When bash is not in posix mode, the current directory is 
searched if no file is found in PATH.
-----------------------------------------

However with man-pages-ja-20081015-1.fc10, man bash
says (in ja_JP):
-----------------------------------------
source:
......
bash が posix モードで動作していれば、PATH 中でファイルを見つ
けられなかった場合には、カレントディレクトリが検索されます。
-----------------------------------------
This is quite opposite.

Actually with bash-4.0-rc1.1.fc11:
-----------------------------------------
$ rpm -q bash
bash-4.0-rc1.1.fc11.i386
$ ls -al eval.sh 
-rw-r--r-- 1 tasaka1 tasaka1 323 2009-01-27 21:59 eval.sh
$ sh -c ". eval.sh"
sh: line 0: .: eval.sh: file not found
-----------------------------------------
i.e. in posix mode source in sh does not search for the current
     directory any more

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--- Comment #1 from Michal Jaegermann <michal(a)harddata.com&gt;  2009-01-27 21:52:54 EDT
---
That tidbit is messing up seriously quite a chunk of a startup and surely a
lots of stuff "out in the field".

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--- Comment #2 from Jerry Amundson <jamundso(a)gmail.com&gt;  2009-02-01 01:47:45 EDT
---
(In reply to comment #0)
>  Description of problem:
>  In :
>  bash-3.2-29.fc10.i386
>  bash-4.0-rc1.1.fc11.i386
>  LANG=C man bash says:
>  -----------------------------------------
>  source:
>  ......
>  When bash is not in posix mode, the current directory is 
>  searched if no file is found in PATH.
>  -----------------------------------------
>  
>  However with man-pages-ja-20081015-1.fc10, man bash
>  says (in ja_JP):
>  -----------------------------------------
>  source:
>  ......
>  bash が posix モードで動作していれば、PATH 中でファイルを見つ
>  けられなかった場合には、カレントディレクトリが検索されます。
>  -----------------------------------------
>  This is quite opposite. 
What is the opposite? The en/ja man page descriptions, or the command
behaviour?

>  Actually with bash-4.0-rc1.1.fc11:
>  -----------------------------------------
>  $ rpm -q bash
>  bash-4.0-rc1.1.fc11.i386
>  $ ls -al eval.sh 
>  -rw-r--r-- 1 tasaka1 tasaka1 323 2009-01-27 21:59 eval.sh
>  $ sh -c ". eval.sh"
>  sh: line 0: .: eval.sh: file not found
>  -----------------------------------------
>  i.e. in posix mode source in sh does not search for the current
>       directory any more 
sh is posix mode, so the above is correct.

$ sh -c ". eval.sh"
sh: line 0: .: eval.sh: file not found
$ bash -c ". eval.sh"
$

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--- Comment #3 from Jerry Amundson <jamundso(a)gmail.com&gt;  2009-02-01 01:50:20 EDT
---
(In reply to comment #1)
>  That tidbit is messing up seriously quite a chunk of a startup and
> surely a
>  lots of stuff "out in the field". 
This seems to be an man page issue, not an issue with binaries. The "messing
up" is likely something else.

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--- Comment #4 from Mamoru Tasaka <mtasaka(a)ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp&gt;  2009-02-01 01:59:26
EDT ---
(In reply to comment #2)
>  What is the opposite? The en/ja man page descriptions, or the
> command
>  behaviour? 
Please check the title and the component of this bug report :)

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--- Comment #5 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt;  2009-02-01 20:42:51 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #4)
>  Please check the title and the component of this bug report :)
Yep, and that's why I've changed the severity down.

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--- Comment #6 from Michal Jaegermann <michal(a)harddata.com&gt;  2009-02-01 22:01:43 EDT
---
>  Yep, and that's why I've changed the severity down. 
In my understanding the severity is not in discrepancies of assorted variants
of manpages but it lies in a potential breakage of various scripts which were
written and deployed "locally".  Changes in API, and this is one, should not be
taken lightly.

It is true that it not hard to fix those, if you realize what happened, but so
far at least scripts used by /etc/init.d/network broke and, AFAIK, they are
still broken.

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--- Comment #7 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt;  2009-02-01 22:23:44 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #6)
>  In my understanding the severity is not in discrepancies of assorted
> variants
>  of manpages but it lies in a potential breakage of various scripts which were
>  written and deployed "locally".  Changes in API, and this is one, should not
> be
>  taken lightly.
>  
>  It is true that it not hard to fix those, if you realize what happened, but so
>  far at least scripts used by /etc/init.d/network broke and, AFAIK, they are
>  still broken. 
I'm not sure how that breakage is related to the mistranslation in Japanese
manpages since they could see difference between the description in manpages
and the actual behavior before pushing something to public though, translations
is always likely to be mistranslated or be inconsistent translations comparing
to the original one by changing APIs etc, because upstream doesn't maintain it.
particularly in the case of documentations and manpages not using something
like gettext to detect changes in the original one.

I don't think a kind of this issue is a higher-serverity so that there are a
workaround to see a behavior i.e. looking at the English manpages.

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--- Comment #8 from Michal Jaegermann <michal(a)harddata.com&gt;  2009-02-02 02:26:07 EDT
---
>  I'm not sure how that breakage is related to the mistranslation
> in Japanese 
Do you want to say that during a startup when a breakage occures bash is in a
posix mode?  I am not sure how but it appears that we are talking about two
different things.  I understood the original report that something got mixed
up.

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--- Comment #9 from Mamoru Tasaka <mtasaka(a)ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp&gt;  2009-02-02 02:54:28
EDT ---
To make this bug more clearer:

* As I said in comment 0 Japanese man pages for bash need fixing.
  I am not saying that bash binary should be fixed.

* What became critical now is that Japanese bash man page says
  that *in* posix mode source command _does_ search current path.

  This was not a problem on bash 3.x, because
  - In English bash man page, there was (and also is) no mention
    about how source behaves *in* posix mode for current path
    English bash man page explains how source behaves in
    *non*-posix mode only
  - And actually sh 3.x searched current path *in* posix mode

  But with bash 4.x, in posix mode sh no longer searches current
  path
  - This behavior is "correct" because English man page does not
    say anything how source behaves in posix mode for current
    path
  - But Japanese man page _does_ say that sh searches current
    path in posix mode.

  So now not only there is misinterpretation on Japanese man page,
  but also current Japanese man page says what is _against_ what
  sh in posix mode behaves.

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--- Comment #10 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt;  2009-02-02 03:02:02 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #8)
>  Do you want to say that during a startup when a breakage occures bash
> is in a
>  posix mode?  I am not sure how but it appears that we are talking about two
>  different things.  I understood the original report that something got mixed
>  up. 
I'm just saying that how this mistranslation bug impacts even though there are
a workaround?
I don't know when you were aware of you've got something mixed up though, if
something is broken, it should be a bug in it and even if author of it was
referring to this manpage during development, they shouldn't push their
software without certain testing. basically manpage issues is highly unlikely
to be set higher-priority, particularly with translated manpages.

Anyway I'm trying to have a time to fix this though, won't happens soon maybe.

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--- Comment #11 from Michal Jaegermann <michal(a)harddata.com&gt;  2009-02-02 13:23:45
EDT ---
>    - This behavior is "correct" because English man page
> does not
>      say anything how source behaves in posix mode for current path 
Is indeed bash in a posix mode during a startup?  This is not clear to me
and if not then errors in a service network are bash errors.  That what I
understood is the original report really about and that translation
discrepancies really point to some mixups in an implementation.  If I misread
that then we are talking about different things.

The other issue is that even if you are _allowed_ to change an undocumented
behaviour is it really _wise_ to do so after so many years of bash in use.  Is
there some requirement which forces such move?   Various destructive actions
could be substituted in the argument above because nothing said before that
something of that sort will not happen.

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--- Comment #12 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt;  2009-02-02 20:18:13 EDT ---
Better bring it up on fedora-devel-list if you are unsure, otherwise just file
a bug to bash on bugzilla. discussing about it here won't make it clearer so
that no persons in charge isn't in Cc at the moment. and bugzilla isn't a place
to discuss IMHO.

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--- Comment #13 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt;  2009-02-25 04:30:31 EDT ---
Fixed in man-pages-ja-20090215-1.fc11.

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--- Comment #14 from Mamoru Tasaka <mtasaka(a)ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp&gt;  2009-02-25
07:58:52 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #13)
>  Fixed in man-pages-ja-20090215-1.fc11. 
(I met with different bug, but I will post here because I felt I
 don't want to open another ticket for the following reason...)

# LANG=C yum -y upgrade man-pages-ja
Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2
Setting up Upgrade Process
Resolving Dependencies

--> Running transaction check
---> Package man-pages-ja.noarch 0:20090215-1.fc11 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

===============================================================
 Package        Arch    Version          Repository    Size
===============================================================
Updating:
 man-pages-ja   noarch  20090215-1.fc11  koji-11       5.4 M

Transaction Summary
===============================================================
Install      0 Package(s)         
Update       1 Package(s)         
Remove       0 Package(s)         

Total size: 5.4 M
Downloading Packages:
Running rpm_check_debug
Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test


Transaction Check Error:
  file /usr/share/man/ja/man8/vigr.8.gz from install of
man-pages-ja-20090215-1.fc11.noarch conflicts with file from package
shadow-utils-2:4.1.2-11.fc11.i386

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--- Comment #15 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt;  2009-02-25 08:16:01 EDT ---
Hmm, well, this issue sometimes happens so I don't mind to remove it from the
package though, the above logs looks strange to me. this manpage isn't actually
new. you should be aware of it when you upgraded shadow-utils, no?

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--- Comment #16 from Mamoru Tasaka <mtasaka(a)ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp&gt;  2009-02-25
08:26:24 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #15)
>  Hmm, well, this issue sometimes happens so I don't mind to remove
> it from the
>  package though, the above logs looks strange to me. this manpage isn't actually
>  new. you should be aware of it when you upgraded shadow-utils, no? 
Oh, I didn't notice that this file is already owned by the two.

Well, this happened because of the side-effect(?) of the change in
redhat-rpm-config (i.e. rpm changed to use SHA-256 instead of MD5
for file digests).
Currently latest shadow-utils rpm is using old MD5 checksum (and
is under mass rebuild for this issue), newly compiled
man-pages-ja already uses SHA-256. So even if these files are the same, on
rpm database currently it is regarded as "different". Anyway removing
one of this will resolve this issue and it will be no problem, I guess.

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--- Comment #17 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt;  2009-02-25 08:31:14 EDT ---
Aha. that makes sense. anyway, fixed in -2.fc11. Thank you for catching this
up.

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--- Comment #18 from Mamoru Tasaka <mtasaka(a)ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp&gt;  2009-02-25
23:59:50 EDT ---
Seems good, thank you!
Now closing as I reported for rawhide.

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