[Bug 2209413] New: Prepare for DNF 5, don't depend on `dnf`

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2209413

            Bug ID: 2209413
           Summary: Prepare for DNF 5, don't depend on `dnf`
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
          Hardware: All
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
         Component: system-config-language
          Severity: high
          Assignee: pnemade(a)redhat.com
          Reporter: egoode(a)redhat.com
        QA Contact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
                CC: i18n-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, pnemade(a)redhat.com
  Target Milestone: ---
    Classification: Fedora



(I'm filing issues with all the packages that currently depend on `dnf`.)

DNF 5 is a new package manager that will replace DNF 4 in Fedora 39+:  Starting
in Fedora 39, the `dnf` command will be provided by the `dnf5` package rather
than the `dnf` package, and `dnf5` will obsolete `dnf`. Since
system-config-language currently depends on DNF 4, it should choose one of the
following strategies to avoid breaking the Fedora upgrade:

- Add support for DNF 5, and depend on the `dnf5` package in Fedora 39+ instead
of `dnf`. Builds of DNF 5 are available in this COPR repository:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/rpmsoftwaremanagement/dnf-nightly/, and
documentation is available here: https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/.
- Alternatively, or in the meantime, change the system-config-language package
to depend on `python3-dnf` instead of `dnf`, and call the `dnf-3` binary
instead of `dnf`. The old DNF 4 command will still be available in the
distribution, but only as `dnf-3` (the binary is called `dnf-3`  rather than
`dnf4` for historical reasons; it is the "Python 3 version" of DNF). The first
option is preferred to this one; it is not recommended to modify installed
software using both DNF 4 and DNF 5 on the same system.
- Or, if this package is no longer being maintained, consider removing it from
Fedora.

At some point, this project should adopt DNF 5, but the immediate issue is
removing the dependency on `dnf`. We are planning to replace DNF with DNF5 in
Fedora Rawhide very soon, by 2023-06-01, and the system-config-language package
will break as long as it still depends on the `dnf` package.

For more information about the switch to DNF 5, see
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceDnfWithDnf5.

Reproducible: Always


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[Bug 2209413] Prepare for DNF 5, don't depend on `dnf`

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Evan Goode <egoode(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Blocks|                            |2166026





Referenced Bugs:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2166026
[Bug 2166026] Make DNF5 The Default
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[Bug 2209413] Prepare for DNF 5, don't depend on `dnf`

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Evan Goode <egoode(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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            Comment|0                           |updated



--- Comment #0 has been edited ---

(I'm filing issues with all the packages that currently depend on `dnf`.)

DNF 5 is a new package manager that will replace DNF 4 in Fedora 39+:  Starting
in Fedora 39, the `dnf` command will be provided by the `dnf5` package rather
than the `dnf` package, and `dnf5` will obsolete `dnf`. Since
system-config-language currently depends on DNF 4, it should choose one of the
following strategies to avoid breaking the Fedora upgrade:

- Add support for DNF 5, and depend on the `dnf5` package in Fedora 39+ instead
of `dnf`. Builds of DNF 5 are available in this COPR repository:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/rpmsoftwaremanagement/dnf5-unstable/,
and documentation is available here: https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/.
- Alternatively, or in the meantime, change the system-config-language package
to depend on `python3-dnf` instead of `dnf`, and call the `dnf-3` binary
instead of `dnf`. The old DNF 4 command will still be available in the
distribution, but only as `dnf-3` (the binary is called `dnf-3`  rather than
`dnf4` for historical reasons; it is the "Python 3 version" of DNF). The first
option is preferred to this one; it is not recommended to modify installed
software using both DNF 4 and DNF 5 on the same system.
- Or, if this package is no longer being maintained, consider removing it from
Fedora.

At some point, this project should adopt DNF 5, but the immediate issue is
removing the dependency on `dnf`. We are planning to replace DNF with DNF5 in
Fedora Rawhide very soon, by 2023-06-01, and the system-config-language package
will break as long as it still depends on the `dnf` package.

For more information about the switch to DNF 5, see
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceDnfWithDnf5.

Reproducible: Always

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[Bug 2209413] Prepare for DNF 5, don't depend on `dnf`

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Evan Goode <egoode(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |CLOSED
         Resolution|---                         |DEFERRED
        Last Closed|                            |2023-08-16 18:31:40



--- Comment #2 from Evan Goode <egoode(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
Hi, as you may be aware, the switch to DNF 5 has been postponed, likely to
Fedora 41. In Fedora 39, the `dnf` command will be provided by the `dnf`
package, and DNF 5 will not be installed by default.

Since no action needs to be taken for a while, I am closing this bug.

FYI, in the meantime, we have set up a testing [COPR
repository](https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/rpmsoftwaremanagement...
that provides a version of DNF 5 that obsoletes DNF 4. It can be used to test
software in an environment similar to the future release of Fedora (whichever
that will be) when DNF 5 replaces DNF 4:

```
sudo dnf-3 copr enable rpmsoftwaremanagement/dnf5-testing
```

Enabling the COPR and upgrading your system should replace DNF 4 (the `dnf`
package) with DNF 5 (`dnf5`), and `/usr/bin/dnf` will be DNF 5.


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Evan Goode <egoode(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|CLOSED                      |NEW
         Resolution|DEFERRED                    |---
           Keywords|                            |Reopened



--- Comment #3 from Evan Goode <egoode(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
Reopening this since the Fedora 41 development cycle is beginning, and we are
planning to obsolete DNF 4 by DNF 5 in Fedora Rawhide within the next few
weeks. Again, libdnf is not going away, and the old DNF 4 command will still be
available as `/usr/bin/dnf-3`, but `/usr/bin/dnf` will be DNF 5, which has a
slightly different command-line interface. Packages should no longer depend on
the `dnf` package in Fedora 41+.


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