[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 847500] New: Don't install Eekboard by default in the desktop spin

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            Bug ID: 847500
        QA Contact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
          Severity: unspecified
           Version: rawhide
          Priority: unspecified
                CC: dueno(a)redhat.com, i18n-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
          Assignee: dueno(a)redhat.com
           Summary: Don't install Eekboard by default in the desktop spin
        Regression: ---
      Story Points: ---
    Classification: Fedora
                OS: Unspecified
          Reporter: allanpday(a)gmail.com
              Type: Bug
     Documentation: ---
          Hardware: Unspecified
        Mount Type: ---
            Status: NEW
         Component: eekboard
           Product: Fedora

An on-screen keyboard should be presented as part of the system, and should be
fully integrated into the user experience. GNOME Shell already comes with an
integrated on-screen keyboard: Eekboard shouldn't be necessary, provides
overlapping functionality, and results in an extra application launcher.

If the GNOME Shell on-screen keyboard is missing any necessary functionality,
we should file bugs against it and get it up to scratch.

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--- Comment #1 from Daiki Ueno <dueno(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #0)
>  An on-screen keyboard should be presented as part of the system, and
> should
>  be fully integrated into the user experience. GNOME Shell already comes with
>  an integrated on-screen keyboard: Eekboard shouldn't be necessary, provides
>  overlapping functionality, and results in an extra application launcher. 
First of all, I agree with not installing eekboard on default English system.

Currently it is installed as a dependency of ibus-m17n, which had required iok
before to input Indic characters.  So I guess we could restrict the
installation only for Indic languages.  Let me check comps.

>  If the GNOME Shell on-screen keyboard is missing any necessary
>  functionality, we should file bugs against it and get it up to scratch. 
Actually I filed some bugs and patches some months ago but no response so far:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673547
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673579

Is the component still actively maintained?

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--- Comment #2 from Parag <pnemade(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
Note:- Following is just a feedback on upstream Caribou project not related to
this bug.

Being the Caribou package maintainer in Fedora and my experience with
contacting the upstream is *very very bad*, I will say first the upstream
author should be reachable.
For me it looks like Caribou is now in maintenance phase where Gnome desktop
team is fixing the issues and author is unresponsive.

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--- Comment #3 from Allan Day <allanpday(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #1)
>  (In reply to comment #0)
>  > An on-screen keyboard should be presented as part of the system, and should
>  > be fully integrated into the user experience. GNOME Shell already comes with
>  > an integrated on-screen keyboard: Eekboard shouldn't be necessary, provides
>  > overlapping functionality, and results in an extra application launcher.
>  
>  First of all, I agree with not installing eekboard on default English system.
>  
>  Currently it is installed as a dependency of ibus-m17n, which had required
>  iok before to input Indic characters.  So I guess we could restrict the
>  installation only for Indic languages.  Let me check comps. 
The GNOME Shell on-screen keyboard should integrate with whatever input source
is being used [1]. That said, it seems strange that eekboard is specifically
tied to ibus-m17n. I'd be interested to know if there is a reason for this.
Asking around, no one seems to be able to give me an answer to that.

>  > If the GNOME Shell on-screen keyboard is missing any necessary
>  > functionality, we should file bugs against it and get it up to scratch.
>  
>  Actually I filed some bugs and patches some months ago but no response so
>  far:
>  
>  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673547
>  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673579
>  
>  Is the component still actively maintained? 
Unfortunately not. I hope that that will changes in the future.

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681735

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--- Comment #4 from Daiki Ueno <dueno(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #3)
>  (In reply to comment #1)
>  > (In reply to comment #0)
>  > > An on-screen keyboard should be presented as part of the system, and should
>  > > be fully integrated into the user experience. GNOME Shell already comes with
>  > > an integrated on-screen keyboard: Eekboard shouldn't be necessary,
> provides
>  > > overlapping functionality, and results in an extra application launcher.
>  > 
>  > First of all, I agree with not installing eekboard on default English system.
>  > 
>  > Currently it is installed as a dependency of ibus-m17n, which had required
>  > iok before to input Indic characters.  So I guess we could restrict the
>  > installation only for Indic languages.  Let me check comps.
>  
>  The GNOME Shell on-screen keyboard should integrate with whatever input
>  source is being used [1]. That said, it seems strange that eekboard is
>  specifically tied to ibus-m17n. I'd be interested to know if there is a
>  reason for this. Asking around, no one seems to be able to give me an answer
>  to that. 
I know that would be ideal.  However, ibus-m17n (Indic) osk feature has been
there since I took over the maintenance in 2010 (it used iok at that time), and
if we simply remove the feature it will be a regression, unless GNOME provides
a complete replacement.  IMO, the current GNOME Shell on-screen keyboard is not
working well even under English system (see the 2nd bug reference below).

>  > > If the GNOME Shell on-screen keyboard is missing any
> necessary
>  > > functionality, we should file bugs against it and get it up to scratch.
>  > 
>  > Actually I filed some bugs and patches some months ago but no response so
>  > far:
>  > 
>  > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673547
>  > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673579
>  > 
>  > Is the component still actively maintained?
>  
>  Unfortunately not. I hope that that will changes in the future.
>  
>  [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681735 
Do you have any schedule for such an internationalized osk in GNOME?

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--- Comment #5 from Daiki Ueno <dueno(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
OK, this bug was filed as a part of the F18 launcher purge activity, right?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/F18_Launcher_Purge
I didn't get the background context from your initial comment.

If your imminent need is to remove the launcher icon, I could hide it with
NotShowIn=GNOME; in the desktop file.

For other issues I would suggest to file a new bug, after GNOME Shell on-screen
keyboard gets mature.

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--- Comment #6 from Allan Day <allanpday(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #5)
>  OK, this bug was filed as a part of the F18 launcher purge activity,
> right?
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/F18_Launcher_Purge
>  I didn't get the background context from your initial comment. 
I felt that the bug stood on its own.

>  If your imminent need is to remove the launcher icon, I could hide it
> with
>  NotShowIn=GNOME; in the desktop file. 
...

The problem with that approach - GNOME users will be unable to use Eekboard,
should they want to.

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--- Comment #7 from Daiki Ueno <dueno(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #6)
>  > If your imminent need is to remove the launcher icon, I could
> hide it with
>  > NotShowIn=GNOME; in the desktop file.
>  ...
>  
>  The problem with that approach - GNOME users will be unable to use Eekboard,
>  should they want to. 
fedora-iok.desktop already has that line.

Other way around is to split the eekboard package - ibus-m17n only requires
eekboard library and the DBus service.  So we could subpackage eekboard
frontend command (which is launched from the desktop file) and make ibus-m17n
not depend on it.

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--- Comment #8 from Allan Day <allanpday(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #7)
...
>  Other way around is to split the eekboard package - ibus-m17n only
> requires
>  eekboard library and the DBus service.  So we could subpackage eekboard
>  frontend command (which is launched from the desktop file) and make
>  ibus-m17n not depend on it. 
What does ibus-m17n need that for exactly...?

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--- Comment #9 from Parag <pnemade(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #7)
>  (In reply to comment #6)
>  > > If your imminent need is to remove the launcher icon, I could hide it with
>  > > NotShowIn=GNOME; in the desktop file.
>  > ...
>  > 
>  > The problem with that approach - GNOME users will be unable to use Eekboard,
>  > should they want to.
>  
>  fedora-iok.desktop already has that line. 
because of bug 529125.

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--- Comment #10 from Daiki Ueno <dueno(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #8)
>  (In reply to comment #7)
>  ...
>  > Other way around is to split the eekboard package - ibus-m17n only requires
>  > eekboard library and the DBus service.  So we could subpackage eekboard
>  > frontend command (which is launched from the desktop file) and make
>  > ibus-m17n not depend on it.
>  
>  What does ibus-m17n need that for exactly...? 
Indic osk UI.  eekboard UI is implemented in the DBus service and it can be
accessed through the library, without eekboard command.

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--- Comment #11 from Parag <pnemade(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #8)
>  (In reply to comment #7)
>  ...
>  > Other way around is to split the eekboard package - ibus-m17n only requires
>  > eekboard library and the DBus service.  So we could subpackage eekboard
>  > frontend command (which is launched from the desktop file) and make
>  > ibus-m17n not depend on it.
>  
>  What does ibus-m17n need that for exactly...? 
The iok application is developed for Inscript type of keymaps for Indic
languages. These are default keymaps. Whenever Inscript keymap gets selected,
ibus used to allow to show selected keymap in iok UI. But I think this has been
stopped in F17 and now only eekboard UI used to come for Indic Inscript keymaps
also.

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--- Comment #12 from Daiki Ueno <dueno(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
(In reply to comment #11)
>  Whenever Inscript keymap gets
>  selected, ibus used to allow to show selected keymap in iok UI. But I think
>  this has been stopped in F17 and now only eekboard UI used to come for Indic
>  Inscript keymaps also. 
Actually there is an option to use iok but it isn't working for now because of
a minor bug.  Will fix it in the next update.

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--- Comment #13 from Fedora Update System <updates(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; ---
ibus-m17n-1.3.4-4.fc18,eekboard-1.0.8-1.fc18 has been submitted as an update
for Fedora 18.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ibus-m17n-1.3.4-4.fc18,eekboard-1...

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--- Comment #14 from Fedora Update System <updates(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; ---
Package ibus-m17n-1.3.4-4.fc18, eekboard-1.0.8-1.fc18:
* should fix your issue,
* was pushed to the Fedora 18 testing repository,
* should be available at your local mirror within two days.
Update it with:
# su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing ibus-m17n-1.3.4-4.fc18
eekboard-1.0.8-1.fc18'
as soon as you are able to.
Please go to the following url:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-11896/ibus-m17n-1.3.4...
then log in and leave karma (feedback).

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        Last Closed|                            |2012-09-17 18:13:29

--- Comment #15 from Fedora Update System <updates(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; ---
ibus-m17n-1.3.4-4.fc18, eekboard-1.0.8-1.fc18 has been pushed to the Fedora 18
stable repository.  If problems still persist, please make note of it in this
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