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Summary: better localized name for zh_TW in locale-list
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Summary: better localized name for zh_TW in locale-list
Product: Fedora
Version: rawhide
Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: low
Priority: low
Component: system-config-language
AssignedTo: psatpute(a)redhat.com
ReportedBy: chaoweilun(a)gmail.com
QAContact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
CC: psatpute(a)redhat.com,
i18n-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, nkumar(a)redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
Description of problem:
The localized name for the locale zh_TW is inadequate.
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
How reproducible:
always
Steps to Reproduce:
1.running system-config-language or
2.viewing /usr/share/system-config-language/locale-list
3.
Actual results:
正體中文
Expected results:
傳統漢語
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--- Comment #1 from Fedora Update System <updates(a)fedoraproject.org> 2010-10-07
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system-config-language-1.3.5-3.fc14 has been submitted as an update for Fedora
14.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/system-config-language-1.3.5-3.fc14
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--- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System <updates(a)fedoraproject.org> 2010-10-07
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system-config-language-1.3.5-3.fc14 has been pushed to the Fedora 14 testing
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
report.
If you want to test the update, you can install it with
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--- Comment #3 from Wei-Lun Chao <chaoweilun(a)gmail.com> 2010-10-08 00:09:16 EDT ---
fix confirmed.
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--- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System <updates(a)fedoraproject.org> 2010-10-11
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system-config-language-1.3.5-4.fc14 has been submitted as an update for Fedora
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Status|ON_QA |CLOSED
Resolution| |NEXTRELEASE
Last Closed| |2010-11-17 01:06:30
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Keywords| |Reopened
--- Comment #5 from Wei-Lun Chao <bluebat(a)member.fsf.org> ---
After four releases, I have realized that the following name would be more
adequate:
傳統字漢語
Please update it and thanks.
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system-config-language-1.3.5-21.fc19 has been submitted as an update for Fedora
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--- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System <updates(a)fedoraproject.org> ---
Package system-config-language-1.3.5-21.fc19:
* should fix your issue,
* was pushed to the Fedora 19 testing repository,
* should be available at your local mirror within two days.
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--- Comment #8 from Cheng-Chia Tseng <pswo10680(a)gmail.com> ---
We should not use 傳統漢語！
We are talking to the characters to present the language here (漢文 or 中文) but
not the talking language (漢語). Plus, 正體中文 is the official name for Chinese
(Traditonal) which issued by Ministry of Education in Taiwan.
I don't know why you insist to change this without disscuss with local
community or at least the Chinese (Traditional) translation coordinator.
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--- Comment #9 from Cheng-Chia Tseng <pswo10680(a)gmail.com> ---
傳統字漢語 is not good either. There is no one in any field use this term in Taiwan
to describe Chinese (Traditional). Instead, We use 正體漢字 to describe "the
offical recognized variant of Chinese character".
"傳統字漢語" is full of problem. First, we use 正體字 to describe tradtional Chinese
character but not 傳統字. Second, we use 中文 or 漢文 to describe the way we present
Chinese characters but not 漢語. 漢語 is the term we use to describe the talking
language in large.
The only offical name of Chinese (Traditional) in Taiwan is 正體中文.
We should be more conservative to change a translation for a language. To
change the translation to fit your personal idea is not a good way for all
Chinese (Traditional) users.
At least you should communicate with the community, then go here to propose the
change only if they agree with your idea. But you don't, that's the point.
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--- Comment #10 from Caius Chance <me(a)kaio.net> ---
I don't think this is a proper change in terms of both process and change
correctness. As Cheng-chia mentioned, 正體中文 is the official name for Chinese
(Traditonal) which issued by Ministry of Education in Taiwan, where the
authority located in the largest population of Traditional Chinese language
users.
In terms of process, you had never contacted and communicated with Chinese
Fedora Community before making the change. In terms of change, 傳統漢語 or 傳統字漢語
are not the common or sense-making names describing the language used among
Taiwan, Hong Kong and overseas Chinese community.
As per the term had been used for Fedora users from installation to daily
operation, anything not widely used in real life should not be introduced no
matter that is a scientific term or a term invented by you. I personally
strongly discourage and against the change. I hope the term can be reverted to
"正體中文" or this can be defined as a regression. Thank you.
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--- Comment #11 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com> ---
@Caius yes definitely
Before doing this change i thought this is well communicated decision.
@ Wei-Lun If you have any official document from Ministry please update here,
else i will reverse this change.
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@Pravin
No, I have not. Even so, thanks.
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Package system-config-language-1.3.5-23.fc19:
* should fix your issue,
* was pushed to the Fedora 19 testing repository,
* should be available at your local mirror within two days.
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system-config-language-1.3.5-24.fc19 has been submitted as an update for Fedora
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--- Comment #17 from Cheng-Chia Tseng <pswo10680(a)gmail.com> ---
system-config-language-1.3.5-23.fc19 uses 傳統漢語 still.
To be clear, it should be reverted to 正體中文 instead.
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system-config-language-1.3.5-23.fc19 has been pushed to the Fedora 19 stable
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--- Comment #19 from Cheng-Chia Tseng <pswo10680(a)gmail.com> ---
Now the status is CLOSED ERRATA, but system-config-language-1.3.5-23.fc19 still
present Chinese (Traditional) as "傳統漢語" instead of "正體中文".
Please revert it back to 正體中文 as it was and it should be.
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based on comment #19 bug is opened.
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--- Comment #21 from Parag <pnemade(a)redhat.com> ---
We have scheduled next upstream tarball of system-config-language by start of
next week. We will fix this bug with upstream release and then accordingly
build in Fedora in next week only.
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Yes Parag. Will fix this with the next upstream release.
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New subject: [Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 638650] better localized name for zh_TW in locale-list
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638650
--- Comment #23 from Fedora Update System <updates(a)fedoraproject.org> ---
system-config-language-1.3.5-24.fc19 has been pushed to the Fedora 19 stable
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
report.
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New subject: [Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 638650] better localized name for zh_TW in locale-list
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638650
Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Status|CLOSED |ASSIGNED
Resolution|ERRATA |---
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New subject: [Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 638650] better localized name for zh_TW in locale-list
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638650
Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Status|ASSIGNED |CLOSED
Resolution|--- |RAWHIDE
Last Closed|2013-05-01 00:25:38 |2013-05-31 07:27:53
--- Comment #24 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com> ---
This one is fixed with the recent upstream release 1.3.6. Latest package is
available in Fedora 19
system-config-language-1.3.6-1
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