[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1574410] New: Incorrect lowercase Cyrillic BE for Macedonian language in liberation v2 (look like Greek delta)

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1574410

            Bug ID: 1574410
           Summary: Incorrect lowercase Cyrillic BE for Macedonian
                    language in liberation v2 (look like Greek delta)
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
         Component: liberation-fonts
          Assignee: petersen(a)redhat.com
          Reporter: dmjpp(a)hotmail.com
        QA Contact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
                CC: alexl(a)redhat.com, fonts-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
                    i18n-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
                    john.j5live(a)gmail.com, mbarnes(a)fastmail.com,
                    mclasen(a)redhat.com, petersen(a)redhat.com,
                    psatpute(a)redhat.com, rhughes(a)redhat.com,
                    rstrode(a)redhat.com, sandmann(a)redhat.com



Description of problem:
The lowercase BE (U+0431, б ) looks incorrect. It looks like Greek lowercase
delta δ. This is related to this change
https://pagure.io/liberation-fonts/c/607af724740a2daf868b4d2b731d58bf1f5b...
and bug 657849

While those changes may matter for Serbian, the Macedonian BE in regular fonts
actually looks same as the Russian. ONLY in italic fonts the delta look is
applicable, because italic fonts kinda look like handwriting.

Note that if you open the page for Cyrillic alphabet or the Cyrillic BE on
wikipedia, it states incorrect and uncited info about this, Macedonian and
Serbian shape of BE is different.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
2.00.1

How reproducible:


Steps to Reproduce:
1. Install harfbuzz and liberation2
2. Run the following commands

cd location/of/fonts
hb-view --language=mk LiberationSerif-Regular.ttf б
hb-view --language=mk LiberationSans-Regular.ttf б
hb-view --language=mk LiberationMono-Regular.ttf б

hb-view --language=mk LiberationSerif-Bold.ttf б
hb-view --language=mk LiberationSans-Bold.ttf б
hb-view --language=mk LiberationMono-Bold.ttf б

Alternative way to trigger is to:
1. Open libeoffice (Liberation Serif is selected by default)
2. Write: б
3. Select that and change the paragraph language to Macedonian.

Actual results:
I see the delta

Expected results:
Should have the standard "six" shape, not "delta" shape

cd location/of/fonts
hb-view --language=en LiberationSerif-Regular.ttf б
hb-view --language=en LiberationSans-Regular.ttf б
hb-view --language=en LiberationMono-Regular.ttf б

hb-view --language=en LiberationSerif-Bold.ttf б
hb-view --language=en LiberationSans-Bold.ttf б
hb-view --language=en LiberationMono-Bold.ttf б



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--- Comment #1 from Dimitrij Mijoski <dmjpp(a)hotmail.com&gt; ---
Created attachment 1430590
  --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=1430590&action=edit
Fixes Macedonian Cyrillic BE in Regular and Bold

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--- Comment #2 from Dimitrij Mijoski <dmjpp(a)hotmail.com&gt; ---
I'd say that the delta will surprise even Serbian readers, as pointed here
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/60778/problem-with-cyrillic-lette...

It would be better to completely disable the delta in Regular and Bold even for
Serbian until it gets a better shape. It should not look like Greek delta.

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--- Comment #3 from Dimitrij Mijoski <dmjpp(a)hotmail.com&gt; ---
If you open official orthography documents of Macedonian and Serbian language,
you will see that BE is written with the six look not the delta look.

Here is Macedonian orthography, scroll to page 13/368
http://www.pravopis.mk/sites/default/files/Pravopis-2017.PDF

Here is Serbian orthography, scroll to page 18
http://repo.etfovac.com/srpski-jezik/Pravopis%20MS_2010.pdf

Basically, the delta should be completely gone from the Regular and Bold.

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--- Comment #4 from Dimitrij Mijoski <dmjpp(a)hotmail.com&gt; ---
Can this get fixed sooner? The patch is already there
https://pagure.io/liberation-fonts/pull-request/21

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