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Summary: Unable to use Finnish keyboard layout
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Summary: Unable to use Finnish keyboard layout
Product: Fedora
Version: 16
Platform: Unspecified
OS/Version: Unspecified
Status: NEW
Severity: high
Priority: unspecified
Component: ibus
AssignedTo: tfujiwar(a)redhat.com
ReportedBy: niklas.laxstrom+bro(a)gmail.com
QAContact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
CC: tfujiwar(a)redhat.com,
i18n-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
shawn.p.huang(a)gmail.com
Classification: Fedora
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Type: ---
Description of problem:
Since I upgrades to F16, I'm unable to have Finnish keyboard layout unless I
close ibus. Looks like there is no longer option to toggle ibus off, and that
it handles normal keyboard layouts too.
I however have the option "Use system keyboard layout" disabled in ibus,
because using other input methods like Russian is not possible with Finnish
keyboard layout, some of the letters cannot be typed then.
Essentially I cannot use ibus to type in other languages because I cannot write
properly in my own language if ibus is running.
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
F16 (KDE), Ibus 1.4.0
How reproducible:
Always
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--- Comment #1 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-07 04:06:31 EST ---
(In reply to comment #0)
Probably I don't understand your problem.
Do you use the latest ibus?
Currently ibus-1.4.0-11 or ibus-1.4.0-14 is available.
# yum install ibus
% rpm -q ibus
ibus-1.4.0-11.fc16.x86_64
Did you configure the system keyboard settings using 'systemsettings' command?
If you run '/usr/libexec/ibus-xkb --get' when ibus-daemon is running, what is
shown?
% /usr/libexec/ibus-xkb --help
% /usr/libexec/ibus-xkb --get
layout: in,us,jp
model: eng,euro,
option: ctrl:swapcaps,grp:shift_caps_toggle,compose:rctrl
Actually ibus runs 'ibus-xkb -l ${layout} -m ${model} -o ${option}' internally.
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--- Comment #2 from Niklas Laxström <niklas.laxstrom+bro(a)gmail.com> 2011-12-07
04:16:20 EST ---
rpm -q ibus
ibus-1.4.0-11.fc16.x86_64
Did you configure the system keyboard settings using
'systemsettings' command?
I most likely chose Finnish keyboard layout from
the installer around F13 or so
when I first installed Feedora.
/usr/libexec/ibus-xkb --get
/usr/libexec/ibus-xkb --get
layout: fi
model:
option: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
With xev I can see that input is correctly öä when I press those keys, but what
actually appears everywhere is ;' just like what would be there in US keyboard.
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--- Comment #3 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-07 05:09:13 EST ---
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> /usr/libexec/ibus-xkb --get
/usr/libexec/ibus-xkb --get
layout: fi
model:
option: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
With xev I can see that input is correctly öä when I press those keys, but what
actually appears everywhere is ;' just like what would be there in US keyboard.
Hmm.., I cannot reproduce your problem. I can show 'öä' with ;' keys.
ibus just gets the current system keyboard layouts.
1. Enable 'Use system keyboard layout' and close ibus-setup.
2. Choose [Quit] menu item on ibus status icon menu and exit ibus at once.
3. Set 'fi' layout.
% /usr/libexec/ibus-xkb -l fi -o terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
4. Check the current layout.
% /usr/libexec/ibus-xkb --get
layout: fi
model:
option: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
5. Run ibus-daemon
% ibus-daemon --xim &
6. Check the current layout again.
% /usr/libexec/ibus-xkb --get
layout: fi
model:
option: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
How is the result about 'öä'?
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--- Comment #4 from Niklas Laxström <niklas.laxstrom+bro(a)gmail.com> 2011-12-07
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(In reply to comment #3)
1. Enable 'Use system keyboard layout' and close ibus-setup.
I don't want to enable that! With that setting I'm unable to type Russian
properly. If I can't type other languages, I might as well not use ibus in the
first place.
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--- Comment #5 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-07 20:07:39 EST ---
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(In reply to comment #3)
> 1. Enable 'Use system keyboard layout' and close ibus-setup.
I don't want to enable that! With that setting I'm unable to type Russian
properly. If I can't type other languages, I might as well not use ibus in the
first place.
Can you explain what is your problem with detail when you type Russian?
Probably I'd think the system keyboard needs to be enabled in your env.
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It is impossible to type ю with the "Use system keyboard" setting enabled. On
US keyboard it comes from the key before "1" which makes "`". On
Finnish
keyboard that comes from a key between "?" and question mark. Even if that
wouldn't be a cumbersome place to type ю, it doesn't even work since it is a
dead key, meaning that I have to press space to get plain `, otherwise I get
something like à depending which key I press. It just doesn't work with ibus.
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--- Comment #7 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-08 05:14:35 EST ---
(In reply to comment #6)
It is impossible to type ю with the "Use system keyboard"
setting enabled. On
US keyboard it comes from the key before "1" which makes "`". On
Finnish
keyboard that comes from a key between "?" and question mark. Even if that
wouldn't be a cumbersome place to type ю, it doesn't even work since it is a
dead key, meaning that I have to press space to get plain `, otherwise I get
something like à depending which key I press. It just doesn't work with ibus.
I don't understand how you need to type 'ю'.
I checked Finnish keyboard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Finnish_multilingual
It seems it has no 'ю' key.
Also I don't understand a key between "?" and question mark.
"?" is not a question mark?
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--- Comment #8 from Niklas Laxström <niklas.laxstrom+bro(a)gmail.com> 2011-12-08
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I'm trying to tell you that ibus is useless with the "Use system keyboad"
setting, because I cannot use other input methods like Russian properly with
Finnish keyboard mapping.
On the other hand I cannot use my regular keyboard layout without the "Use
system keyboard" setting if ibus is running. In F15 I just used ctrl+space to
turn ibus off, but that is not possible anymore, even the xkb layouts go
through ibus, which takes the "Use system keyboard" setting into account.
question mark should have read backspace.
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--- Comment #9 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-08 05:36:28 EST ---
(In reply to comment #8)
I'm trying to tell you that ibus is useless with the "Use
system keyboad"
setting, because I cannot use other input methods like Russian properly with
Finnish keyboard mapping.
So I don't understand how you type 'ю'.
Why don't you add Russian layout?
It seems you configure 'fi' only with KDE systemsettings.
You could set XKB two layouts 'fi' and 'ru' with XKB options.
On the other hand I cannot use my regular keyboard layout without the
"Use
system keyboard" setting if ibus is running. In F15 I just used ctrl+space to
turn ibus off, but that is not possible anymore, even the xkb layouts go
through ibus, which takes the "Use system keyboard" setting into account.
Yes, now we try to integrate both XKB and input methods in one place.
question mark should have read backspace.
Did you mistake?
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Clarification: I don't use ru XKB, I use ru-phonetic from m17n.
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--- Comment #11 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-08 05:51:52 EST ---
It seems the bug report is not good for me since it doesn't give the basic
information.
I will read this tomorrow again.
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--- Comment #12 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-09 02:03:39 EST ---
I understood the problem.
The current design(f16) is to apply the previous keymap to the next input
method.
E.g. if you switch 'us' layout to an IM engine, IM engine is run under us
layout.
If you switch 'fi' layout to IM engine, IM engine is run under fi layout.
But m17n:ru:phonetic is defined with 'us' layout.
The ibus engine has the property of the keymap but currently it's ignored to
apply the previous keymap.
I will add an exception in ibus for ibus-m17n only to fix this bug and 'Use
system keyboard' still needs to be enabled since we'd like to delete it in the
future.
However I'd suggest to configure multiple XKB keymaps without ibus-m17n
m17n:ru:phonetic because I'd think adding an exception is not straight for
ibus.
If you configure XKB keymaps 'fi' and 'ru(phonetic)' in KDE
systemsettings, now
ibus can shows the two keymaps as ibus engines and you can switch them in ibus,
too.
I have a plan to upstream 'default' layout in engine.layout in the future.
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--- Comment #13 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-12 05:31:02 EST ---
When I investigated the case of enabled 'Use system keyboard', I found another
problem.
I still think the solution in enabled 'Use system keyboard' but now I need to
know what is the problem when 'Use system keyboard' is disabled.
I use an 'us' physical keyboard.
When the keymap is 'fi', 'Use system keyboard' is disabled and
m17n:ru:phonetic
is enabled, I can type almost Russian keys.
Which keys cannot be typed in your environment?
The following is my result:
ю1234567890+ч
явертыуиопшщэ
асдфгхйклöä
зьцжбнм,.-
I noticed the '+' and '-' are wrong but I could type 'ю'.
Is this your problem?
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--- Comment #14 from Niklas Laxström <niklas.laxstrom+bro(a)gmail.com> 2011-12-12
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* I use fin/swe physical keyboard.
* "Use system keyboard" is checked
* System keyboard: fi
Using phonetic russian from m17n:
§1234567890Ч´
явертыуиопå¨
асдфгхйклöä'
<зьцжбнм,.-
As you can see many letters are missing. ´¨' are the dead keys and what they
print if I press them twice.
If I disable the "Use system keyboard" I get:
ю1234567890+ч
явертыуиопшщ
асдфгхйклöäэ
<зьцжбнм,.-
There are probably also differences in shift and altgr states.
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--- Comment #15 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-12 20:28:43 EST ---
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* I use fin/swe physical keyboard.
* "Use system keyboard" is checked
* System keyboard: fi
Using phonetic russian from m17n:
§1234567890Ч´
явертыуиопå¨
асдфгхйклöä'
<зьцжбнм,.-
Yes, I know this problem.
I'm asking the disabled 'Use system keyboard' instead.
As you can see many letters are missing. ´¨' are the dead keys and what they
print if I press them twice.
If I disable the "Use system keyboard" I get:
ю1234567890+ч
явертыуиопшщ
асдфгхйклöäэ
<зьцжбнм,.-
There are probably also differences in shift and altgr states.
So are your problems that '+', '-' and shift and altgr states?
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--- Comment #16 from Daiki Ueno <dueno(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-14 02:42:30 EST ---
Niklas,
I have talked with fujiwara-san and implemented a fix in ibus-m17n side. That
emulates US keyboard layout based only on keycodes (not keysyms).
Could you try a test RPM?
http://ueno.fedorapeople.org/ibus-m17n/ibus-m17n-1.3.3-8.fc16.x86_64.rpm
Patch: https://github.com/ueno/ibus-m17n/commit/f95a310
SRPM: http://ueno.fedorapeople.org/ibus-m17n/ibus-m17n-1.3.3-8.fc16.src.rpm
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--- Comment #17 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2011-12-30 00:26:09 EST ---
Niklas Laxström:
Can you confirm my question?
(In reply to comment #15)
(In reply to comment #14)
> There are probably also differences in shift and altgr states.
So are your problems that '+', '-' and shift and altgr states?
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--- Comment #18 from Niklas Laxström <niklas.laxstrom+bro(a)gmail.com> 2011-12-31
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Sorry I've been too busy and lazy to test the RPM.
The problem is that with the "Use system keyboard (fi)" setting, when I try to
type with ru-phonetic, I get the first of the keyboard listings, which does not
have ю, ш or щ.
But I obviously need to have that setting enabled, or I can't type Finnish
because the default US layout that is used when that setting is disabled does
not contain letters ö,ä, or å.
This is still valid with ibus 1.4.0.
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--- Comment #19 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2012-01-04 22:59:06 EST ---
(In reply to comment #18)
The problem is that with the "Use system keyboard (fi)"
setting, when I try to
type with ru-phonetic, I get the first of the keyboard listings, which does not
have ю, ш or щ.
But I obviously need to have that setting enabled, or I can't type Finnish
because the default US layout that is used when that setting is disabled does
not contain letters ö,ä, or å.
This is still valid with ibus 1.4.0.
You didn't reply my question yet.
I understood the problem when the system keyboard is enabled. You don't have to
repeat the same problem.
I'm asking the problem when the system keyboard is disabled because if the only
enabled problem is fixed, you will see the same disabled problem again even if
you enable the setting.
(In reply to comment #17)
Niklas Laxström:
Can you confirm my question?
(In reply to comment #15)
> (In reply to comment #14)
> > There are probably also differences in shift and altgr states.
>
> So are your problems that '+', '-' and shift and altgr states?
So are your problems that '+', '-' and shift and altgr states?
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--- Comment #20 from Niklas Laxström <niklas.laxstrom+bro(a)gmail.com> 2012-01-05
04:06:47 EST ---
I don't quite understand what you are asking. If the system keyboard is
disabled, I can't type Finnish with the default xkb layout, because then it
acts like an US keyboard which doesn't have å, ä or ö.
There is no problem typing Russian if the system keyboard layout setting is
disabled, because those input methods usually expect US keyboard layout.
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--- Comment #21 from fujiwara <tfujiwar(a)redhat.com> 2012-01-13 01:19:48 EST ---
(In reply to comment #20)
I don't quite understand what you are asking. If the system
keyboard is
disabled, I can't type Finnish with the default xkb layout, because then it
acts like an US keyboard which doesn't have å, ä or ö.
Can you explain the problem exactly when the system keyboard is disabled. I'm
thinking to downgrade this priority as I didn't get the reply.
When the system keyboard is disabled and Finnish XKB layout is used, I think
you can type all chars on Finnish keyboard if ibus-m17n ru input method is
disabled.
So I think it acts Finnish perfectly but does *not* act likes US keyboard.
When the system keyboard is disabled and Finnish XKB layout is used, I think
you *cannot* type some Russian chars if ibus-m17n ru input method is *enabled*.
So I have the different behavior with yours.
There is no problem typing Russian if the system keyboard layout setting is
disabled, because those input methods usually expect US keyboard layout.
I don't think so.
If the US xkb layout is used:
ю1234567890-ч
явертыуиопшщэ
асдфгхйкл;'
зьцжбнм,./
If the Finnish xkb layout is used:
ю1234567890+ч
явертыуиопшщэ
асдфгхйклöä
зьцжбнм,.-
I thnk you cannot type ;'/ with Finnish keyboard + ibus-m17n ru.
Also the position of '-' is different.
And I'm asking the problem in this case the system keyboard is disabled.
(In reply to comment #17)
So are your problems that '+', '-' and shift and altgr states?
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