[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 473209] New: Please add Maithili and Nepali languages to language selection menu in anaconda

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Summary: Please add Maithili and Nepali languages to language selection menu in anaconda

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Summary: Please add Maithili and Nepali languages to language
                    selection menu in anaconda
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: medium
          Priority: medium
         Component: anaconda
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]
         QAContact: [e-mail]
                CC: [e-mail], [e-mail],
                    [e-mail]
   Estimated Hours: 0.0
    Classification: Fedora

Description of problem:
Maithili and Nepali languages are not available in the anaconda menu at install
time.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
anaconda-11.4.1.62-1.i386.rpm

How reproducible:
always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Start Fedora installation
2. Proceed to the step that asks you to choose the language to use in the
install process

Actual results:
Maithili and Nepali languages are not in the list

Expected results:
Maithili and Nepali languages should be in the list

Additional info:

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--- Comment #1 from Matej Cepl   2008-11-28 14:48:30 EDT ---
There is nothing to triage here.

Switching to ASSIGNED so that developers have responsibility to do whatever
they want to do with it.

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--- Comment #2 from Chris Lumens   2008-12-02 13:03:27 EDT ---
As always, adding languages to anaconda requires the following:

(1) What LANG= setting should we use for each?
(2) What's the console font that should be used?
(3) What's the console and X keyboard setting for each?
(4) What packages contain the X font?
(5) Are the font and keyboard settings complete and usable?

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--- Comment #3 from Jens Petersen   2008-12-02 20:25:22 EDT ---
Parag did you forget to attach your patch?

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--- Comment #4 from Parag   2008-12-02 23:21:36 EDT ---
not exactly that I forgot to attach patch here. I just took reference from this
bug 237060 about how requests should be added to Bugzilla for newer languages
in anaconda where no input was provided in that bug.

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--- Comment #5 from Parag   2008-12-02 23:37:56 EDT ---
Created an attachment (id=325481)
 --> (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=325481)
Mai_IN_and_Ne_NP_lang addition patch

clumens,
      I have attached patch here. If information from patch is still not enough
for criteria to add new language in anaconda then ask for required information.

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--- Comment #6 from Chris Lumens   2008-12-03 10:08:54 EDT ---
Parag - yeah that's a good start, thanks.  If you look at scripts/upd-instroot,
you'll see (among other things) that we need to include the font packages and
the font files themselves.  Are there special fonts needed for these languages,
or are they already part of a package we're including?  Also, in the rhpl
package you'll see the keyboard_models.py file which needs similar changes to
what you've already done.

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--- Comment #7 from Parag   2008-12-05 01:45:38 EDT ---
For Maithili,
    defualt font set is from package lohit-fonts-maithili as seen in comps
file.

For Nepali,
    defualt font set is from package madan-fonts as seen in comps file.

I am not sure yet about rhpl modification as I see only 4 Indic languages out
of 11 got entry there and still rest have no entry for their keyboard. Will
check on this and report new bug.

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--- Comment #8 from Jens Petersen   2008-12-05 02:10:43 EDT ---
My understanding is that PCs in India normally use/have a US keyboard, right?

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--- Comment #9 from Parag   2008-12-05 02:54:41 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> My understanding is that PCs in India normally use/have a US keyboard, right?

Yes. Normally US keyboard is used.

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--- Comment #10 from Matej Cepl   2008-12-15 07:34:03 EDT ---
What needs to be traiged here, that you moved this back to NEW?

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--- Comment #11 from Andy Lindeberg   2008-12-15 10:47:23 EDT ---
Nothing needs to be triaged, but the bug is not assigned to anybody. As such,
it belongs in NEW.

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--- Comment #12 from Matej Cepl   2008-12-15 11:57:59 EDT ---
Sorry, it doesn't -- please take a look at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow (note, that this is
the official FESCO approved, workflow). If you need distinguish between
ASSIGNED == "triaged, and the next destiny of the bug is up to maintainers" and
"actually somebody works on it", I would suggest to use ON_DEV for it.

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--- Comment #13 from Andy Lindeberg   2008-12-15 13:03:13 EDT ---
And yet it is interesting to note that there are *zero* Fedora anaconda bug
reports in ON_DEV. Either this means that nobody is working on anything, or the
"official FESCO approved workflow" doesn't actually reflect the reality of how
bugs get sorted. It should be fairly obvious which of these is the case.

So now the question is whether to abide by the official documentation, or to go
with the system that the rest of the people I work with actually use. I'd be
inclined to choose the latter in any case unless there was a really compelling
argument against it, and that's ignoring the fact that in /this case/
specifically, it's more helpful to this bug report for it to be marked as NEW
rather than ASSIGNED - /because/ the general interpretation is that ASSIGNED
means "Somebody is working on this bug", those bugs get less attention from
everybody but their assignees. For bugs that are /actually/ being worked on
that's not a problem, but for bugs that are still listed as assigned to
anaconda-maint-list, it can drastically reduce turnaround time. In contrast,
bugs marked as NEW are more likely to be looked at by non-assignees, increasing
the likelihood of a response, quick fix, or assignation for fixing.

In addition, having checked with clumens, that workflow is based around
releasing updates, which we don't do. It is, therefore, flawed.

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--- Comment #14 from Matej Cepl   2008-12-15 21:13:30 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #13)
> specifically, it's more helpful to this bug report for it to be marked as NEW
> rather than ASSIGNED - /because/ the general interpretation is that ASSIGNED
> means "Somebody is working on this bug", those bugs get less attention from

No, it isn't and it actually never officially was (take a look for example at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/page.cgi?id=fields.html#assigned -- this text is
there like forever). The problem with your interpretation is, that it doesn't
take into account work of bug triagers, who if this stays in NEW, will hit this
bug again and again and will switch it to ASSIGNED because there is nothing to
triage here.

I totally understand that this is some work for you, but unfortunately, there
are 4063 NEW bugs in Fedora bug triagers are struggling with, so I don't see
any way how to change our ways easily.
> In addition, having checked with clumens, that workflow is based around
> releasing updates, which we don't do. It is, therefore, flawed.

OK, then I would please ask you to suggest how to move your bugs out of the NEW
-- we can certainly help you, if there is a need to sift through a lot of bugs
or something like that, but really NEW bugs should go away.

Please, catch me on IRC or anything, if you need to discuss it more.

Best,

Matěj Cepl

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--- Comment #15 from Parag   2008-12-15 22:42:32 EDT ---
Why this bug gets moved back to NEW state whereas I have provided all required
inputs here.

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--- Comment #16 from Jens Petersen   2008-12-15 23:12:46 EDT ---
I think it would probably be better for the anaconda team to search for
unassigned bugs than using state for that:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=e...
(143 Fedora bugs)

You can of course narrow down more with &component=anaconda (142 bugs!) and
more usefully &version={rawhide,10,..} (23, 82, 32, 5 bugs respectively).

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora&component=anacond...
to see all open Fedora anaconda bugs, etc.  Probably good to bookmark and
document on your wiki pages.

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--- Comment #17 from Chris Lumens   2008-12-16 11:51:51 EDT ---
Parag - I see there's a special keyboard layout for Nepali (see
/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/np), and that all the Indic languages have their
layouts in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/in as variants.  However, there is no
variant for Maithili in that file.  Should I go ahead and use us for the
keyboard layout as you indicated, or is another layout more appropriate?

That's the last bit of information required.

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--- Comment #18 from Parag   2008-12-16 23:36:06 EDT ---
Yes. you are correct that we have xkb layouts already. But no one like to input
in his locale at time of installation. people in India and so Nepal used to
give input in English Characters only.
So I request you to please go ahead.

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--- Comment #19 from Jens Petersen   2008-12-17 18:46:24 EDT ---
Right I don't think we should be using non-US xkb layouts for Indic languages
by default - they do not support ascii input normally afaik.

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--- Comment #20 from Parag   2009-01-09 06:32:23 EDT ---
any updates here or am I supposed to provide some more input?

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--- Comment #21 from Parag   2009-01-13 03:01:29 EDT ---
Ping? Need to have this fixed before F11 Alpha freeze.

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--- Comment #22 from Parag   2009-01-19 02:59:20 EDT ---
ping?

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--- Comment #23 from Chris Lumens   2009-01-19 11:02:06 EDT ---
Since this doesn't require any new keyboard layouts defined, I believe it's all
handled in the patch to anaconda that I just pushed.  This should therefore be
fixed in the next build of anaconda.

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            Summary|Please add Maithili and     |[mai_IN] [ne_NP] Please add
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                   |language selection menu in  |languages to language
                   |anaconda                    |selection menu in anaconda