[Bug 1060328] New: Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no longer installed

[Red Hat Bugzilla]

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1060328

            Bug ID: 1060328
           Summary: Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no
                    longer installed
           Product: Fedora Documentation
           Version: devel
         Component: release-notes
          Assignee: relnotes(a)fedoraproject.org
          Reporter: toby(a)ovod-everett.org
        QA Contact: docs-qa(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
                CC: relnotes(a)fedoraproject.org, wb8rcr(a)arrl.net,
                    zach(a)oglesby.co



Description of problem:

The Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no longer installed (section
2.8.1) during normal installs.  It appears, according to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Changes/NoDefaultSyslog, that it got moved
from @core to @standard.  However, I suspect that a lot of users will do
installs that include @standard, and as a result they will get rsyslog
installed and perhaps be confused as to why they got it when the Release Notes
imply it is no longer included.  I can confirm that the
repodata/ac802acf81ab55a0eca1fe5d1222bd15b8fab45d302dfdf4e626716d374b6a64-Fedora-20-comps.xml
file on the x86_64 install DVD contains rsyslog in the @standard package group.

Also, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Changes/NoDefaultSendmail implies
that sendmail got moved from @core to @standard, whereas it appears to me that
it actually got removed from both of them (at least I can't find it anywhere in
the comps.xml file).

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): Fedora 20 x86_64
DVD.

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[Bug 1060328] Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no longer installed

[Red Hat Bugzilla]

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1060328

Pete Travis <me(a)petetravis.com&gt; changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |CLOSED
                 CC|                            |me(a)petetravis.com
         Resolution|---                         |NEXTRELEASE
        Last Closed|                            |2014-12-06 13:18:00



--- Comment #1 from Pete Travis <me(a)petetravis.com&gt; ---
There are lots of ways that a user could end up with these packages, even after
the transition that excludes them from the *mandated* list of packages.  I
agree that we could have explained it better, or at least linked to the Change
pages.  

Talking about 'default' is a risky thing with Fedora installations, especially
in the fedora.next world.  We'll be more careful about that going forward.

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