[Bug 1044541] New: Consider making SELinux a REQUIREMENT, not recommendation.

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            Bug ID: 1044541
           Summary: Consider making SELinux a REQUIREMENT, not
                    recommendation.
           Product: Fedora Documentation
           Version: devel
         Component: release-notes
          Assignee: relnotes(a)fedoraproject.org
          Reporter: mikelieman(a)gmail.com
        QA Contact: docs-qa(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
                CC: relnotes(a)fedoraproject.org, wb8rcr(a)arrl.net,
                    zach(a)oglesby.co



Description of problem:

While trying to upgrade, I ran into an apparent conflict between fedup and
SELinux, which is disabled on this particular instance.  Without finding it as
a requirement, I reached out to the IRC channel #Fedora for assistance.

Their response to my apparently supported use-case was vigorous, and let's just
leave it at 'off-putting'.  

The take-away is that SELinux IS A DE-FACTO REQUIREMENT going forward, and the
documentation should to corrected to reflect this REQUIREMENT.


Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):

F20

How reproducible:

Unknown

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Disable SELinux
2. Reach out to #Fedora on IRC for support 


Actual results:

Offensive, Insulting Derision

Expected results:

Confirmation that yes, it is a de-facto requirement, and yes, the documentation
should be updated to reflect it.

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Mike Lieman <mikelieman(a)gmail.com&gt; changed:

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Pete Travis <me(a)petetravis.com&gt; changed:

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                 CC|                            |me(a)petetravis.com,
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          Component|release-notes               |install-guide
           Assignee|relnotes(a)fedoraproject.org  |pbokoc(a)redhat.com



--- Comment #1 from Pete Travis <me(a)petetravis.com&gt; ---
We will track the associated bug and take this into consideration when updating
fedup documentation, thanks for the report.  Upgrade documentation has the
greatest presence in the Installation Guide, so I'm reassigning your bug to it
and will do the work there. 

Feedback on IRC support volunteers should be directed to
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ ; updated documentation can't fix
anyone's behavior or increase their willingness to support use cases they don't
endorse.

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Jonathan Nicol <jnicol(a)backnine.org&gt; changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Jonathan Nicol <jnicol(a)backnine.org&gt; ---
If SELinux is required, I will be finding a different distro.

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Pete Travis <me(a)petetravis.com&gt; changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Pete Travis <me(a)petetravis.com&gt; ---
*** Bug 1008742 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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Juhani Jaakola <juhani.jaakola(a)kolumbus.fi&gt; changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Juhani Jaakola <juhani.jaakola(a)kolumbus.fi&gt; ---
SELinux has caused me a lot of problems in the past, so I have always disabled
it. If SELinux is required in Fedora, I'll switch to a different distribution.

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Petr Bokoc <pbokoc(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1136030
[Bug 1136030] Need a new chapter about upgrading Fedora
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