Search Engine on start.fedoraproject.org
duffy at fedoraproject.org
Mon Jul 26 04:37:32 UTC 2010
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 15:31 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> 2010/7/24 Máirín Duffy <duffy.fedoraproject.org at linuxgrrl.com>:
> > Is there a reason for what I detect to be a tinge of paranoia here? There is
> > a world of difference between a well-meaning FLOSS code upstream making an
> > honest mistake and a provider lying about their FLOSS-ness. I hear about the
> > former all the time, the latter -never-. Is it really a concern?
> I am confused over a couple of issues:
> 1) What do you mean by paranoia and where?
> 2) What was the question that there is paranoia about?
Paranoia about potential third party vendors claiming to be FLOSS when
they are not which seems to be a theme here, but I apologize if I'm
> I thought the discussion was whether or not we should provide a
> start.fedoraproject.org ourselves or get rid of it. I have been
> discussing in any form the former. We can't provide an open source
> search engine to replace Google or Bing or Yahoo. We are neither
> staffed, budgeted, or knowledgeable to do something at even the level
> of the original AltaVista. Having had to replace several
> ill-performing search programs with Google at previous jobs.. I am not
> sure how well we could do ourselves in a way that people consider
> 'relevant' any more.
I guess one problem here, that I've missed in the discussion so far, is
rather than thinking about which search engine is best to use - what is
best for the user? Is a page with a search box in the middle of it the
first time you open the default browser really the best experience for
our Fedora users? Isn't there already a persistent search box now
available embedded in the browser chrome so no matter what page you're
on you can search the web? So why are we providing a search box in the
main screen area again? Was it to make referral money that we then found
out later we couldn't accept?
I think a big confusion here too is we're talking about start.fpo AND
docs.fpo. I don't think you need a Google / Yahoo / Altavista level
search system to be able to search docs.fpo or even www.fpo. Sure, you
need a big horse engine to search the whole web, but why should we be in
the business of searching the entire web?
> Now if the question is that we should remove/redirect
> start.fedoraproject.org from a 'cover' of google to say a page that
> explains what Fedora Project is about, what people can expect from the
> community (and vice versa), how to join, etc etc. I am all for that.
I don't think that's going to provide the best experience for the user
either though. How about a start page like Chromium has that shows
thumbnails of your most frequently-visited websites so you can access
them in one click based on visual cues? I think a long time ago Bryan
Clark wrote a blog post about what should be in the browser window when
you first open it to best make users' lives easier. Actually I think
Colin may have written an extension for Firefox that does the thumbnail
thing. Why don't we get rid of start.fpo and just install that extension
Best way to solve a problem is to make it not a problem anymore :)
Certainly beats feeling like you're compromising your values!
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