Default services enabled

[Steve Clark]

On 08/22/2011 12:03 PM, JB wrote:
> Steve Grubb<sgrubb<at>  redhat.com>  writes:
>
>> ...
>> You're not seeing the hundreds - no thousands of emails about systemd?
>> You are not seeing that all the expected facilities of init are not covered?
>> There is well founded rebellion here.
>> ...
> Yes, you are right. And the people (e-mails, posts) you refer to are too.
>
> Your concerns and those of others point to a questionable (non-UNIX) systemd
> design.
> Once again I refer everybody to Denys Vlasenko's thread, where this is very
> visible; go over it again and you will know why:
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152323.html
>
> Sys init was, and should be (as it was expected to be in systemd):
> - simple, limited-in-functions, stable, and thus secure in design
> - no sys init *and* services manager roles (the last one should be done by
>    another (child) process and inetd-like server)
> - no networking exposure due to security concerns
> - no pseudo-roles like handling user sessions, login's, etc
> - etc
>
> It is not by chance that people think about a Windows-like approach in concept
> and design of systemd, and even Lennart admitted to it:
> "I like to see it as a modular platform to build an OS from."
> It comes thru, he wants systemd, with its implied "world domination" attitude,
> to be a base for some OS-to-be; he even expects it to be some kind of
> a standard every distro would adopt.
>
> I can only say I hope not !
> I would suggest that Fedora will be first to reject it as it is now.
> Fedora is a BETA distro by choice, so it should be easy, prudent, and proper
> to stop here and redesign systemd, with community, users and testers input.
>
> A propos, I have here a few links to sources on UNIX philosophy.
> I would suggest to everybody to not just read them (skip over them quickly),
> but also think for a few minutes about each principle.
> It helps clear up one's mind.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy
>
> Eric Steven Raymond
> The Art of Unix Programming
> http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/
> http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/
>
> The Unix Philosophy
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2877
>
> Enjoy it.
> JB
>
> Vivaldi - Da due venti il mar turbato - Angela Gheorghiu - 1987 (Very Rare!)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=8_MtYYCuFjk
>
>
>
+1000

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