GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

[Evandro Giovanini]

Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 11:55 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu:
> On 06/17/2011 11:36 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > Dne 17.6.2011 11:14, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> >> On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >>> Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>>> This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the
> >>>> large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user
> >>>> research (yes, really!) and found that many people had significant
> >>>> trouble navigating the typical Windows / GNOME 2 nested menu system full
> >>>> of wide-but-short entries. They would lose levels in the nesting by
> >>>> moving the mouse a bit wrong. They would launch the wrong thing because
> >>>> the target area was too short. This was especially pronounced with poor
> >>>> pointing devices - particularly cheap trackpads on cheap laptops.
> >> Rest assured, it is not ... esp. on cheap trackpads on cheap laptops.
> 
> > The workflow is:
> > 1) Move the mouse to the to left corner (move is enough, you don't have
> > to click. You even can drag and drop through activities, so learn to not
> > click there.)
> Apart of the fact, "track pad click" are disabled by default in F15's 
> Gnome3 (IMO: silly - They are enabled in Ubuntu), the click isn't my point.
> 
> With Gnome3, if only using a mouse/trackpad/pointing device, you are 
> travelling very long distances on screen - Much longer distances than in 
> Gnome 2 - This is a problem with "cheap trackpads" (My F15 test system 
> is a cheap, 1st generation atom-based netbook)
> 
> > May be you are not following the development of other desktops, but for
> > example Windows 7 has the same principle.
> Correct. I am not using Windows nor Mac OS X.
> 
> > Open the start menu, type the
> > application name and the filtered list appears. The only difference that
> > windows shows by default icons of most favorite applications where in
> > Gnome 3 you have pin them. But this is more or less similar to W7
> > taskbar on the other hand.
> >
> > So in conclusion it is not that surprising at the end, that W7 and G3
> > are pretty similar. Also the icons are getting bigger on both platforms.
> Well, it's obvious to me Gnome 3 is trying to immitate W7, OS X and iOS, 
> but ... may-be you may want to think about why users are not using these 
> and are using Linux instead?
> 
> One of the reasons used to be the Gnome2 DE being different from these 
> rsp. these other OSes not meeting this user's groups demands.
> 
> In other words: IMO, due the way Gnome3 is taking, Gnome 3 has thrown 
> away one of the key-advantages it had offered (and has become a W7 etc. 
> immitation cult) and thus has become non-interesting to at least some 
> Linux-users (e.g. me).
> 
> That said, IMO, Gnome 3 should be added a "classic" GUI-design, with 
> toplevel menus/cascaded, file-browser etc.
> 
> To me personally, Gnome 3 is the primary cause for currently evalutating 
> other distros and other DEs, and the primary (the secondary is systemd) 
> cause for not upgrading to Fedora 15.
> 

I'm not really sure I get what you're asking for here. GNOME 3 does have
the "classic" (Win95-like) design installed by default and all you have
to do is enable fallback mode in order to use it. 

In addition to that the GNOME Shell is highly customizable and you can
have a traditional application menu right on the top menu bar if you'd
like. You can check out the extensions available in Fedora, the ones
here [1] and several others you can search on Google. The GNOME
developers are also working on a website to make installing and managing
extensions as easy as it is with Firefox.

Evandro

[1]. http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html