GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

[Scott Schmit]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:31:43AM -0300, Evandro Giovanini wrote:
> Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 11:55 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu:
> > Well, it's obvious to me Gnome 3 is trying to immitate W7, OS X and iOS, 
> > but ... may-be you may want to think about why users are not using these 
> > and are using Linux instead?
> > 
> > One of the reasons used to be the Gnome2 DE being different from these 
> > rsp. these other OSes not meeting this user's groups demands.
> > 
> > In other words: IMO, due the way Gnome3 is taking, Gnome 3 has thrown 
> > away one of the key-advantages it had offered (and has become a W7 etc. 
> > immitation cult) and thus has become non-interesting to at least some 
> > Linux-users (e.g. me).
> > 
> > That said, IMO, Gnome 3 should be added a "classic" GUI-design, with 
> > toplevel menus/cascaded, file-browser etc.
> > 
> > To me personally, Gnome 3 is the primary cause for currently evalutating 
> > other distros and other DEs, and the primary (the secondary is systemd) 
> > cause for not upgrading to Fedora 15.
> > 
> 
> I'm not really sure I get what you're asking for here. GNOME 3 does have
> the "classic" (Win95-like) design installed by default and all you have
> to do is enable fallback mode in order to use it. 

I feel that this statement is disingenuous; everything I have read about
fallback mode has made it extremely clear that it's intended as a
temporary measure until graphics drivers are up to snuff. It may be
available now, but it sounds to me like the plan is for it to go away.

> In addition to that the GNOME Shell is highly customizable and you can
> have a traditional application menu right on the top menu bar if you'd
> like. You can check out the extensions available in Fedora, the ones
> here [1] and several others you can search on Google. The GNOME
> developers are also working on a website to make installing and managing
> extensions as easy as it is with Firefox.
> 
> Evandro
> 
> [1]. http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html

Except that this feature was originally only intended for rapid
prototyping--changes to GNOME3 can and probably will break many
extensions (lack of versioning, etc). I've heard nothing yet that says
this will change, and at least one voice that implies that it either
definitely won't change or should go away ("extensions dilute the GNOME3
brand").

Anyway, what you're really saying is that users are free to develop
their own patches to GNOME3 (albeit in Javascript instead of C). That's
tantamount to saying "if you don't like it, you can always fork the
code!" It also ignores that not all users are developers or that not all
those who are want to rewrite/modify GNOME3.

-- 
Scott Schmit