hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

[David]

On 9/22/2013 5:11 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
> On 22.09.2013 18:34, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> Am 22.09.2013 18:30, schrieb Jan Kratochvil:
>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:24:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>>> Am 22.09.2013 18:13, schrieb Jan Kratochvil:
>>>>> My grandfather still believes those are multiple _different_ Fedora
>>>>> installations, each having different games/files.  As he has also CentOS menu
>>>>> item there having multiple Fedora items is just too much for him.
>>>>
>>>> explain it to him
>>>
>>> I have tried many times for many years but he still insists on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>> * because i saw the menu from the very first beginning
>>>> * because doing nothing the next boot-step after that menu failed
>>>> * so what did i: look waht happens if i chosse something other from the menu
>>>
>>> There is never a perfect solution, everything has its pros and cons.
>>
>> yes and the chance having a unbootable system has more cons
>>
>>> So it could wait for 5 secs, just displaying a message "Hit SHIFT to display
>>> a boot menu.".  That hopefully should not confuse users while it would still
>>> help you to solve your problem
>>
>> place a descriptive text *above* the menu and display it as default would
>> be the best one, but i guess pragmatic solutions edcuating users are not
>> the ones developers these days perfer
>>
>> wondering from which tress in 10 years the advanced users will fall if
>> all advanced options are more and more hidden beause the could confuse
>> somebody............
>>
> 
> Oh, come on. Not all advanced options need to be presented to anybody at
> any time. You, as advanced user, don't need all of this "advanced"
> features every time you use your system. Going back to boot menu - how
> many of your reboots are not successful so you need to choose different
> kernel or specify different options? Regular Linux user expect to boot
> system successfully every time and if it's impossible it means distro
> devels screwed up releasing untested package. It's good to have all that
> options around but presenting them to user just in case he might want to
> do something more advanced once a year is simply wrong.
> 
> To educate new Linux/Fedora users, it's better to write some good
> documentation or produce high quality podcast than showing them all that
> meaningless options.
> 
> 
> 
> Mateusz Marzantowicz
> 


Excuse me sir. You completely missed the point here.

You are not doing it 'their way"

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  David