F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

Liam liam at fightingcrane.com
Wed Apr 23 22:11:11 UTC 2014

On Apr 23, 2014 4:29 AM, "Reindl Harald" <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
> Am 23.04.2014 07:52, schrieb Liam:
> > On Apr 22, 2014 5:09 AM, "Christian Schaller" wrote:
> >> I think this is a misunderstanding of who a developer might be and why
they choose
> >> a system. Those of my friends and acquaintances, who are developers
and who over the
> >> years have decided to switch their development laptops from Linux to
> >> MacOS X, has not done so because they had things they wanted to do
that was
> >> 'impossible' to do with Linux or that they thought they could not
figure out how to
> >> do with linux. Instead they moved because they got tired of spending
time trying to
> >> make their system 'work'. This is in no way limited to dealing with
the challenges
> >> of a firewall, but if we want to attract developers or any kind of
user to our
> >> system we need to make it usable without needing daily google searches
> >> to figure out how you can do something and make parts of your system
> the daily google searches are much more because interfaces are permanently
> replaced - be it GUI's or CLI interfaces and configurations get invalid
> due all that replacements - *there* is the problem - what you know today
> maybe in 3 years as ivalid as what you learend 5 years ago about a Fedora
> system and whatever you find with Google is quentionable and likely
> smart replacements whould keep interfaces as they are and only replace
> the code behind and add some options but not break the semantic
> > The fact of the matter is that there's really no compelling reason for
the average web
> > developer, for instance, to move to Linux. Osx is already more powerful
than any linux
> stop that
> i face every single day the opposite because on the other side
> of my desk is a OSX machine, terrible slow with the same CPU and
> a unacceptable usability compared with a recent KDE because you
> can't do this and that
> the usability part may be subjectively, the terrible slow is not
> given both of our machines have the same CPU

I'm speaking about what I see in general and not osx's efficiency but how
it is used. Osx provides nice Unix underpinnings, tremendous battery life,
hugely vibrant developer ecosystem, and can run many Linux programs.
IMHO, the only possible path to those users is to provide a system that
helps them do their work more easily. Exactly what that entails I don't
know and, without some very targeted questioning, I don't think it likely
we'll happen upon the answer. Simply developing the facade of osx, without
the sophistication hidden beneath, is a sure way to turn off potential
switchers because, currently, we can't offer a comparable experience.
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