Fedora and Video Sharing

Sat Apr 10 16:17:43 UTC 2010

On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 11:55 -0400, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> Kaltura.com is a good alternative. The rule *should* be to use open 
> standards whenever possible and convert content to non-free if needed.
> 
> The only thing I wanted to pint out is that if s/o wants to remix content, 
> he should be able to do it with open standards.
> 
> So to reiterate - I do *not* oppose usinge youtube, I *do* want to stress 
> however that "open first" should not be ignored.
> 
> So I propose:
> 
> - make content *always* available in open standards.
> - use youtube etc for distribution when alternatives suck, but *always* 
> point the viewer to the open standard alternatives (in the description field 
> etc)
> 
> I hope you see that I am not a fundamentalist, I am pragmatic but I want to 
> make sure we do it right.

No, but I like to see arguments as you present them. My interest is only
pointing that distribution channels are important and we can get
probably most profit (not revenue) if we use that most people use. So by
understanding the "consumer profile" we can response accordingly. Of
course that our official statements and such can be forwarded to Kaltura
or any other alternative. But placing it on youtube would also be nice.

> 
> If we offer no oepn alternatives, THEN you will get the fundamentalist 
> discussion - and for a good reason IMHO.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not against alternatives, my councern
is:

We point someone to a website: all the established audience will see it.

(but in addition if it's on youtube, then many more people will end up
seeing it, so we get our message through a much wider audience,
eventually this will serve our promotion goals better, and of course,
having popular artists tagging with us will also bring more artists to
us. Considering that if one of our artists gets 2 million hits, I would
suppose he would love to contribute even more then having less hits).

> 
> Using your arguments in a little bit of exaggerated way would lead for 
> example to using Adobe Illustrator for artwork, Photoshop for other stuff 
> and would exclude those that don't have these tools ...

That's not what I had in mind. There are some tools (in my field data
mining and data analysis that if they were not present in Linux, I
wouldn't be able to swap from whatever to Linux). The open source
alternatives are not mature, and probably will never be mature. If we
look at the "Cathedral and Bazaar", you will find that most Marketing
professionals are not programmers, so that model applied to "PSPP" for
example would never work. The maturity level between PSPP and IBM
alternative SPSS is abyssal. (http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/ VS
http://www.spss.com).

Using your examples, my GIMP knowledge is enough for dropping
Photoshop... my Corel skills are a good reason for not using Inkscape.
But that isn't a problem for me because I'm not an artist neither I
produce artistic content, just some casual photo editing, color messing,
cropping, etc.

Considering the achievement of the last 10 years, and looking to the
future in maybe a naive way, but I could say that eventually FOSS has
everything to become industry mainstream... we're mainly lacking some
market volume shares for it happen (and that won't happen based on
Cathedral and Bazaar model).

Anyway, neither I've taken you by a radical, neither I want to sound
like a radical. I'm trying to see if we can hit a wider audience and get
more proffit (not revenue) out of it.

nelson.

> 
> Jan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: marketing-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org 
> <marketing-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base 
> <marketing at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Sent: Sat Apr 10 11:29:27 2010
> Subject: Re: Fedora and Video Sharing
> 
> On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 10:57 -0400, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> > Youtube however uses the H.264 codec which is patent encumbered and only
> > viewable on Fedora after installing either (proprietary) Flash or
> > not-so-well-licensed codecs from external repos.
> >
> > One of the four F's of Fedora is Freedom. Youtube is not adding to 
> > freedom.
> > Its the price you pay for convenience.
> 
> What would you suggest for an reliable alternative that can provide:
> 
>  # user friendliness
>  # decent connectivity
>  # a wide audience as youtube?
> 
>  Up to this point, it's constructive. From this point on, it's a private
> view and should be faced as such.
> 
> As a personal comment, for a second I saw that "freedom" almost as I see
> "despotism". It's because of the availability of proprietary software
> for Linux and close standards that I use it (and that makes of it an
> alternative to other proprietary OS's), else I would be stuck with
> Windows (as FOSS doesn't provide everything for users needs).
>  I understand that we should promote open standards, but that will
> handicap a campaign and will probably not give as much impact as it
> would. Even for the artists making it, it's a huge cutdown on their
> efforts. Do we really need to be so narrow? can't we actually provide it
> both ways and make our official stuff on a non-offending format, but
> also make it available on youtube?
> 
> "In America, through pressure of conformity, there is "freedom of
> choice", but nothing to choose from" - Peter Ustinov.
> 
> nm
> 
> PS: This comment translates a personal view.
> 
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: marketing-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > <marketing-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base
> > <marketing at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> > Sent: Sat Apr 10 10:17:18 2010
> > Subject: Re: Fedora and Video Sharing
> >
> >
> > As long as the website offers good connectivity worldwide should be ok.
> > Youtube should be nice since it has akamai behind also.
> >
> > The importance of prime channels of distribution should be a concern,
> > and Youtube provides the necessary points for it, either from the
> > audience point of view or distribution.
> >
> > +1.
> >
> > nm
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
> > > Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
> > >
> > > My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
> > > College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project.  My
> > > particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
> > > as I already have my own video-web series.  I'm one of five students
> > > who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
> > > distributed online.
> > >
> > > I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
> > > Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
> > > Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion.  Based off of
> > > my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
> > > but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
> > > YouTube.  As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
> > > technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
> > >
> > > I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
> > > and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone.  One idea
> > > that I have come up with is:
> > >
> > > * Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
> > > Archive and Dailymotion.
> > >
> > > * Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
> > > officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
> > > features of Fedora, etc).
> > >
> > > * Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
> > >
> > > * Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
> > > Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
> > > to the Account Master(s) for consideration.  If accepted, these videos
> > > would be added to the official channel.
> > >
> > > * Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
> > > having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
> > > websites.
> > >
> > > I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
> > > who are interested.  I would also be curious to find out what results
> > > previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
> > > what people's opinions are.
> > >
> > > I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
> > > professors started discussing it in class.  Once Mel Chua came to
> > > speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
> > > worked, I began to understand.  Having videos that explain the goals
> > > of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
> > > the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
> > >
> > > Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
> > >
> > > Nick
> >
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