On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Radka Janekova <radka.janek(a)redhat.com>
First, would you please not top-post? It makes it tricky to identify what
you're responding to.
@pvalena please don't remove (or move) anything til we get some
> It was already a bit of a stretch with Visual Studio
> Code, given that literally no one is working on bringing that into
I am not a 'no one' =(
My team will be, step by step: .NET Core first.
I am sorry, I saw nothing that indicated anyone was planning on making
*any* of the Electron-based editor/IDE tools available in the official
Fedora repositories. If you do, in fact, plan to bring Visual Studio Code
into Fedora, then that's fantastic. But I know of no reason why VSCode
depends deeply on .NET Core getting in first. If anything, shouldn't these
efforts occur in parallel?
@bex (had countless of conversations about C# on Fedora) & @jflory7 (is
using C# on Fedora, knows the problems.) what are your opinions on this? Do
we need to make it a council ticket or bring it to council list or
something along the lines?
TLDR: JetBrains Rider is not FLOSS and should be pushed below VS Code,
Mono, and Eclipse on the developer portal (fedoraloves.net
) despite Rider
being the only actually capable C# IDE on Linux at this time.
As I see it, we should be unbiased and provide actual information for
Developers interested in using Fedora. By doing this, the information will
no longer be unbiased. I refuse to provide false, incomplete, or otherwise
wrong information. Fedora is Operating System that is targeting developers
who need the best IDE available for their work. As of today, Rider is the
only IDE capable of working with netcore *and* mono that actually works
without any other issues. Eclipse requires either non-floss netcore
packages from Microsoft, or hacked up ours to work - and even then it's a
*maybe* with uncertain results (it works only with projects created in
Eclipse and won't open anything created in any other ide or cli, even with
our hacked up packages.) And VS Code is actually in the same boat, as they
both use OmniSharp under the hood. MonoDevelop is MonoDevelop, although a
good IDE, the title says it all. It's mono-only. So to sum it up, Rider is
the only reliable way to work with C# in any Linux, not only Fedora. As a
bonus for C# developers who are likely to have either Mac or Windows as
well, it's multiplatform and works exactly the same way on all the
platforms (even the whole configuration can be shared via
nextcloud/dropbox/whatever.) And at least they give free licenses for Open
I will point out one very important statement that somehow seems to get
*"Fedora Developer Portal is a place for open-source developers, providing
information about tools, technology and other features that are packaged in
This statement didn't come from nowhere. In fact, this is from the home
page of the Developer Portal project page
I've been watching the site gradually lose focus on this for a while now,
and I've been generally displeased about it. However, beyond mentioning it
a few times on IRC, I've not made too much fuss about it, as we've
generally been pointing to free and open source solutions so far. However,
this is the first time I've noticed that we've strayed so far that we
recommended a non-free solution to potential developers using Fedora.
I've become increasingly disappointed with the way things have been
evolving in Fedora as a whole, but I hoped we wouldn't lose sight of the
fact that our distribution exists to promote free and open source software
as well as free culture, and the tools to enable the further development of
If JetBrains Rider is the only decent tool right now, then the focus should
be improving the Free tools so they can compete. What the heck has
happened? I remember the days when Red Hatters stepped up to fill these
voids when they showed up. We were in a similar situation with Java years
ago, and Red Hatters and other members of the community stepped up and
fixed it with the IcedTea project. What makes C# so different that no one
has stepped up to bat to make a first-class FOSS solution for C# developers?
Radka, it's clear you're very passionate about .NET development. But I
don't know *anything* about any efforts to make the C# world better
integrated with the FOSS world, similar to what happened to make Java
better years ago. If there is something going on, it's really well-hidden.
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!