Hi Stephen,
First of all I would like to thank you for your open mail.
I will try to react on it a bit.
On 11/24/2015 08:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 24 November 2015 at 02:32, Jan Kurik <jkurik(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> Hi Env & Stacks Working Group,
>
> during the Nomination period of the Nov/Dec 2015 Fedora Elections,
> this working group has not got enough nominees to cover all the open
> seats. We have currently 4 open seats but only 2 nominees [1].
> I would like to agree on a plan, how to deal with this situation.
>
> From my point of view there might be two solutions:
> 1) On an internal mailing list in RedHat I have seen some comments
> about handover of responsibilities from Env&Stacks WG to other teams
> (like Atomic, Cloud, etc.). If this is the case, the WG might revisit
> its purpose and adapt the resources to it, so the Elections will not
> be needed.
> 2) Another solution might be to organize the elections once more after
> some internal gaining in the Env&Stacks WG, to raise awareness of
> people about the work this WG is doing.
>
> I am open for any other ideas, helping to solve the current situation.
> Please comment.
>
These were my comments previously:
Maybe the problem with not a lot of nominations is that no one knows
what Env & Stacks really does? When I talk with a lot of people their
opinion is that it is mostly a talking versus doing group. It doesn't
have any "power", it doesn't have any real "responsibility", and
it
doesn't have a known scope.
I guess, that you are right. But see on Docker. It
is part of Fedora and
it works.
There are many projects around env&stack like here [1].
But If I can tell we don't have an aim for each election period, Fedora
release
or real target which we are focusing on. This could be a problem.
From my last election period, I think that we discuss and discuss a bit
more.
We should work on a new things or a visions for Fedora or what should be
an aim for E&S.
I know that there is a bunch of projects like Software Component Pipeline,
DevPI, DevAssistant, Fedora Developer Portal, Docker, Copr and another.
We are working on it.
But they are not visible so much, I guess.
We should do a meeting where should be an update about projects.
But Stephen, on the other hand. Many folks maintain several packages
or they are busy with another work. I guess, that we can not concentrate
fully on E&S projects. Correct me if I am wrong.
Now those may all be false assumptions, but those are the ones that I
see on IRC from people. Maybe explaining clearly what the group really
does, really has scope over and what it is supposed to deliver may get
people interested in it?
Looking through the history of the list.. there are 2 people who post
regularly to this list: Jan and Honza with no others posting since
maybe June or August. I don't know the exact number of people on the
list, but that would indicate that most people are working on these
problems in other locations.. possibly other Fedora lists and
definitely other CentOS lists. With that being the case, are there
reasons for keeping this group?
Group is important, but we should define aims.
Like Fedora modularization. Docker, ....
I think, other WG like Cloud, Workstation, Base have to work closely
with us.
But as I said, thanks for you opened email.
[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Env_and_Stacks/Tasklist
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