On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:00:06 +0200
Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora(a)leemhuis.info> wrote:
Hi!
On 09.06.2009 21:44, Xavier Bachelot wrote:
>
> Is anyone taking care of the stable push for June ?
FWIW, there IIRC wasn't even one in May either iirc.
> I guess Thorsten is probably busy with other stuff,
Yes, sorry, I was really busy with lot of RPM Fusion stuff and real
life; EPEL moved off by radar so I forgot about it.
In fact I feared exactly that and that was the reason why I months ago
(is it even more then a year now? not sure, can't remember) tried to
get away from EPEL nearly completely (¹), which was running quite
fine back then.
But the latter not the case anymore. Sure, packagers are still doing a
whole lot of good work, but leadership/steering is afaics nearly not
existent at all, which IMHO is a dangerous situation for a project
like EPEL (especially as RHEL6 is not that far away anymore and we
need to be prepared for that).
Well, somewhat agreed. What critical issue is waiting to be addressed?
Some examples: No weekly reports for months (which were a
requirement
from FESCo when the EPEL Steering Committee was formed and thus should
still be written!), nearly no meetings and the steering committee
obviously doesn't even care if testing -> stable move get done. Hey,
not even one of the steering committee members actually answered your
mail in the past few days which IMHO tells us everything already.
I have tried (twice or three times, I forget) to get regular meetings
going again. Either I can't get a time where everyone can attend, no
one does attend, or people forget about the meetings.
We did have some meetings a few months ago, and a few things came out of
them, but not much. Mostly people were "everything is running ok, what
do we need to do".
Or IOW: what exactly did the steering committee do over the past six
months? Nearly nothing I'd say. Dglimore (maybe one or two others from
the Steering Committee; not sure,) did some work for koji and bodhi
for EPEL, but that's nearly all afaics.
Agreed. What items do you think should be addressed?
IMHO it's time for the steering committee to say "Sorry, we
screwed
up, we all step down; the last thing we do it to make sure a new
steering committee is formed somehow"
ok. Happy to do so.
Who wants to be in a new committee?
Judging from the lack of people interested in meetings I would say not
many. I'm happy to step down if others step up tho.
Alternately, if I can get commitment from people to attend meetings I
will hold them and try and get things back on track.
Note that a while back we discussed if EPEL is in need of a "steering
comittee" which implies elections and such. We decided that it was much
more a SIG than a Project. I don't know if that needs to be addressed
by fesco.
> but is anyone else able to take care of that ?
Anyone can prepare one:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/NextTestingStableMove
But I did it a few times already, so I can prepare another one quite
easily.
One was/is being done by Michael Stahnke.
> iirc, there are some perms issue.
That is still the case afaics. Only dglimore can actually do the push
and testing->stable moves.
Yes, this is the case as far as I know.
CU
knurd
(¹) Yes, I did prepare a few stable pushes over the past few months to
help out, but I mentioned a few times already that I didn't really
want to do them anymore; looking back at it I should have made it
more clear to prevent the current situation; sorry for that;
yeah, sorry if people have been bugging you on that.
kevin