9:16 a.m.
Since we are debating the state of Fedora fonts, I'd also like to add
that Fedora should ship as many OpenType fonts as possible. Why?
Because it (finally!) includes a decent bundle of TeX (texlive), which
contains XeTeX -- a version of TeX that can use advanced OpenType
features directly. XeTeX is still a bit inferior to pdftex in some
respects (no microtypography), but is far easier to use. Yeah, OOo
should get OpenType support too, but I personally don't care much
about it.
FYI: Because Fedora up to release 8 kept including the obsolete tetex,
which I had to patch manually many times, I skipped all Fedoras
between 5 and 9! Anything in between would have been a downgrade for
me after I started manually adding up to date packages to tetex. And
no, I could not just add them locally because they conflicted with the
bundled packages in complex ways, so the old ones had to be deleted --
so no yum update tetex for me.
9:40 a.m.
New subject: Call for OpenType fonts! [Was: Re: Fwd: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]]
Le Mar 22 juillet 2008 16:16, Vasile Gaburici a écrit :
Since we are debating the state of Fedora fonts, I'd also like to add
that Fedora should ship as many OpenType fonts as possible.
Bear in mind that OpenType can mean TTF fonts with OpenType features
nowadays.
Other than that, I fully agree with you, but that means recruiting new
font packagers. At the rate we're going now, it's going to take many
releases to process
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Font_wishlist
let alone work on fonts not listed there.
(You can easily check this rate by looking at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts_inclusion_history
Since I'm reaching the limits on the number of packages I can maintain
in my spare time, a realistic future rate all other things being equal
should be computed by removing all the packages I've done in the past
from the lists).
--
Nicolas Mailhot
12:04 p.m.
New subject: packager for liberation sans derivative needed (was: Re: Call for OpenType fonts!)
On Jul 22, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Mar 22 juillet 2008 16:16, Vasile Gaburici a écrit :
>
> Since we are debating the state of Fedora fonts, I'd also like to add
> that Fedora should ship as many OpenType fonts as possible.
(...)
Other than that, I fully agree with you, but that means recruiting new
font packagers. At the rate we're going now, it's going to take many
releases to process
i have worked on a derivative version of liberation sans for a client
(a public university in brazil). i have made several changes to the
design of the existing fonts (it is closer to univers and akzidenz
grotesk), and created new ultralight and extrabold weights as well as
small caps, proportional numbers and case-sensitive punctuation for
the text fonts (but no greek or cyrillic).
the university will be releasing their new visual identity soon,
along with the fonts. i plan to release an extended version* of the
family (under a different name) in september/october through my foundry.
* including condensed and extended fonts for use in newspapers and
magazines
[the fonts were designed in the 'ivory tower' way, with mostly
proprietary software (macosx, fontlab, superpolator).]
i would be happy if these fonts could end up in linux distros.
if anyone is interested in testing the fonts on linux and taking care
of the packaging, please drop me a line.
regards,
- gustavo.
ps: the fonts are in opentype cff format.
1:03 p.m.
New subject: packager for liberation sans derivative needed (was: Re: Call for OpenType fonts!)
I'll gladly do some testing. As for the packaging, given that it's a
derivative of Liberation, perhaps someone from Redhat will step up and
include them in the official package...
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gustavo Ferreira <grilo(a)centroin.com.br> wrote:
i have worked on a derivative version of liberation sans for a client (a
public university in brazil). i have made several changes to the design of
the existing fonts (it is closer to univers and akzidenz grotesk), and
created new ultralight and extrabold weights as well as small caps,
proportional numbers and case-sensitive punctuation for the text fonts (but
no greek or cyrillic).
the university will be releasing their new visual identity soon, along with
the fonts. i plan to release an extended version* of the family (under a
different name) in september/october through my foundry.
* including condensed and extended fonts for use in newspapers and magazines
[the fonts were designed in the 'ivory tower' way, with mostly proprietary
software (macosx, fontlab, superpolator).]
i would be happy if these fonts could end up in linux distros.
if anyone is interested in testing the fonts on linux and taking care of the
packaging, please drop me a line.
regards,
- gustavo.
ps: the fonts are in opentype cff format.
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1:22 p.m.
New subject: packager for liberation sans derivative needed (was: Re: Call for OpenType fonts!)
(sent off-list)
On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Vasile Gaburici wrote:
I'll gladly do some testing. As for the packaging, given that
it's a
derivative of Liberation, perhaps someone from Redhat will step up and
include them in the official package...
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gustavo Ferreira
<grilo(a)centroin.com.br> wrote:
>
> i have worked on a derivative version of liberation sans for a
> client (a
> public university in brazil). i have made several changes to the
> design of
> the existing fonts (it is closer to univers and akzidenz grotesk),
> and
> created new ultralight and extrabold weights as well as small caps,
> proportional numbers and case-sensitive punctuation for the text
> fonts (but
> no greek or cyrillic).
>
> the university will be releasing their new visual identity soon,
> along with
> the fonts. i plan to release an extended version* of the family
> (under a
> different name) in september/october through my foundry.
>
> * including condensed and extended fonts for use in newspapers and
> magazines
>
> [the fonts were designed in the 'ivory tower' way, with mostly
> proprietary
> software (macosx, fontlab, superpolator).]
>
> i would be happy if these fonts could end up in linux distros.
>
> if anyone is interested in testing the fonts on linux and taking
> care of the
> packaging, please drop me a line.
>
>
> regards,
> - gustavo.
>
>
> ps: the fonts are in opentype cff format.
>
2:10 p.m.
New subject: packager for liberation sans derivative needed (was: Re: Call for OpenType fonts!)
Le mardi 22 juillet 2008 à 15:22 -0300, Gustavo Ferreira a écrit :
On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Vasile Gaburici wrote:
> I'll gladly do some testing. As for the packaging, given that it's a
> derivative of Liberation, perhaps someone from Redhat will step up and
> include them in the official package...
It's certainly worth asking the Liberation maintainer.
However bear in mind Red Hat's main motivation was to have TNR/Arial
metrically equivallent substitutes (that worked in OO.o, ie in TTF not
OTF format) so they may well not be interested.
Which does not mean Fedora isn't. If the font is suitably licensed I'll
certainly add it to our packaging wishlist.
(sadly that does not take care of finding people to work on this list)
Regards,
--
Nicolas Mailhot
12:56 p.m.
New subject: packager for liberation sans derivative needed (was: Re: Call for OpenType fonts!)
I took a quick look at the fonts, and I am impressed with the quality.
If you want a pragmatic reason why these should become part of Fedora,
here it is: on Windows, MS Office adds Arial Black and Narrow, so
there's some choice of weights for titling and subheads. On Linux
there wasn't one until Gustavo's work.
I sent him more nitty-gritty comments off-list.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Gustavo Ferreira <grilo(a)centroin.com.br> wrote:
(sent off-list)
On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Vasile Gaburici wrote:
> I'll gladly do some testing. As for the packaging, given that it's a
> derivative of Liberation, perhaps someone from Redhat will step up and
> include them in the official package...
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gustavo Ferreira <grilo(a)centroin.com.br>
> wrote:
>>
>> i have worked on a derivative version of liberation sans for a client (a
>> public university in brazil). i have made several changes to the design
>> of
>> the existing fonts (it is closer to univers and akzidenz grotesk), and
>> created new ultralight and extrabold weights as well as small caps,
>> proportional numbers and case-sensitive punctuation for the text fonts
>> (but
>> no greek or cyrillic).
>>
>> the university will be releasing their new visual identity soon, along
>> with
>> the fonts. i plan to release an extended version* of the family (under a
>> different name) in september/october through my foundry.
>>
>> * including condensed and extended fonts for use in newspapers and
>> magazines
>>
>> [the fonts were designed in the 'ivory tower' way, with mostly
>> proprietary
>> software (macosx, fontlab, superpolator).]
>>
>> i would be happy if these fonts could end up in linux distros.
>>
>> if anyone is interested in testing the fonts on linux and taking care of
>> the
>> packaging, please drop me a line.
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> - gustavo.
>>
>>
>> ps: the fonts are in opentype cff format.
>>
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11:12 a.m.
New subject: packager for liberation sans derivative needed (was: Re: Call for OpenType fonts!)
2008/7/22 Gustavo Ferreira <grilo(a)centroin.com.br>:
i plan to release an extended version* of the family (under a
different name) in september/october through my foundry.
Wow!
This is really great news Gustavo! :-)
[the fonts were designed in the 'ivory tower' way
No problem with that at all :-)
i would be happy if these fonts could end up in linux distros.
Wonderful! :-)
if anyone is interested in testing the fonts on linux and taking care
of the
packaging, please drop me a line.
I've been meaning to get set up for packaging fonts for Debian and
Fedora for a while, so hopefully I'll have some experience doing this
packaging work by september/october :-)
--
Regards,
Dave
12:41 p.m.
New subject: packager for liberation sans derivative needed (was: Re: Call for OpenType fonts!)
Le mercredi 23 juillet 2008 à 17:12 +0100, Dave Crossland a écrit :
2008/7/22 Gustavo Ferreira <grilo(a)centroin.com.br>:
> if anyone is interested in testing the fonts on linux and taking
care of the
> packaging, please drop me a line.
I've been meaning to get set up for packaging fonts for Debian and
Fedora for a while, so hopefully I'll have some experience doing this
packaging work by september/october :-)
We'll be very happy to help you get on board Fedora-side. We've still a
lot of work to do to catch up with Debian — please do not widen the gap
by starting their side :p
--
Nicolas Mailhot
11:40 a.m.
Regarding OpenOffice.org and OpenType support, here is a recent thread
at the UX (User Experience) mailing list on features to include in
OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1,
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1890
A few people mentioned OpenType support,
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1894
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1899
The way to go with OOo and OpenType support, is to have users request
it, at the appropriate forums.
Simos
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Vasile Gaburici <vgaburici(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Since we are debating the state of Fedora fonts, I'd also like to
add
that Fedora should ship as many OpenType fonts as possible. Why?
Because it (finally!) includes a decent bundle of TeX (texlive), which
contains XeTeX -- a version of TeX that can use advanced OpenType
features directly. XeTeX is still a bit inferior to pdftex in some
respects (no microtypography), but is far easier to use. Yeah, OOo
should get OpenType support too, but I personally don't care much
about it.
FYI: Because Fedora up to release 8 kept including the obsolete tetex,
which I had to patch manually many times, I skipped all Fedoras
between 5 and 9! Anything in between would have been a downgrade for
me after I started manually adding up to date packages to tetex. And
no, I could not just add them locally because they conflicted with the
bundled packages in complex ways, so the old ones had to be deleted --
so no yum update tetex for me.
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12:58 p.m.
Most people using OOo probably don't have clue what features OpenType
provides, mostly because they've only seen Arial and Times New Roman.
So I don't expect widespread requests from the userbase...
Btw, is there a way to vote for feature requests, or do we have to
spam them on the forums?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Simos Xenitellis
<simos.lists(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Regarding OpenOffice.org and OpenType support, here is a recent
thread
at the UX (User Experience) mailing list on features to include in
OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1,
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1890
A few people mentioned OpenType support,
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1894
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1899
The way to go with OOo and OpenType support, is to have users request
it, at the appropriate forums.
4:11 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Vasile Gaburici <vgaburici(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Most people using OOo probably don't have clue what features
OpenType
provides, mostly because they've only seen Arial and Times New Roman.
So I don't expect widespread requests from the userbase...
Btw, is there a way to vote for feature requests, or do we have to
spam them on the forums?
It appears that the voting in the individual issues has little
significance at the moment.
If you join the UX mailing list (it's a list, not a web forum), there
are more chances that something can happen.
What I believe is missing is establishing to the UX list how many of
the existing/prospective OOo users are affected.
Simos
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Simos Xenitellis
<simos.lists(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> Regarding OpenOffice.org and OpenType support, here is a recent thread
> at the UX (User Experience) mailing list on features to include in
> OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1,
> http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1890
>
> A few people mentioned OpenType support,
> http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1894
> http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1899
>
> The way to go with OOo and OpenType support, is to have users request
> it, at the appropriate forums.
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