voting proposal mark 3
by Kevin Fenzi
a) The sig controls/manages the following channels:
#fedora
#fedora-social
#fedora-unregistered
#fedora-ops
b) Voting members are everyone who's an op in any of the managed
channels.
c) New operators/voting members are nominated by any existing member,
who (after confirming the nominee is agreeable) files a ticket. Voting
members have 7 days to vote, majority vote determines outcome.
d) Existing voting members can be removed in roughly the same way as
the process in c). Inactive members can be removed if their is a
majority vote to do so here.
e) In other cases (aside from promoting/removing members),
broad consensus should be attempted first and if no clear consensus can
be reached a vote can be held on the issue or change.
f) when and if other channels wish to join the sig, rules for that can
be added.
g) The #fedora-ops channel is for coordinating between operators of the
other 3 channels. Operators in those 3 channels are welcome to join and
idle in #fedora-ops. Other folks can be allowed by nomination from an
op and a second from any other operator. Those not in the above 2
groups are welcome to join and discuss an issue or concern with the
other 3 channels, but will be asked to then depart after their issue or
concern is noted.
kevin
12 years, 2 months
[irc-support-sig] #97: @ affix
by fedora-badges
#97: @ affix
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Reporter: h4ckm3 | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 16
Version: | Severity: Positive
Keywords: | Blocked By:
Blocking: |
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Awesome support, complete solution in < 10 seconds +1, kudos, "like"
= phenomenon =
= reason =
= recommendation =
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12 years, 2 months
[irc-support-sig] #96: User Zungo The Vampire
by fedora-badges
#96: User Zungo The Vampire
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Reporter: dp67 | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Keywords: | Blocked By:
Blocking: |
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= phenomenon =
User Zungo refuses to read man pages or links given to him. He enters the
channel and demands to be spoon fed. He shouts when he doesn't get
attention and makes a general nuisance of himself.
= reason =
= recommendation =
The user should be banned or quieted long term until he learns to do a
little research for himself or learns some patience before persistently
wearing out his welcome in #fedora.
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12 years, 2 months
voting proposal mark 2
by Kevin Fenzi
Bob and some others raised some concerns around the logistics of adding
and removing new channels...so, to simplify, here's a new version of my
voting proposal:
a) The sig controls/manages the following channels:
#fedora
#fedora-social
#fedora-unregistered
#fedora-ops
b) Voting members are everyone who's an op in any of the managed
channels.
c) New operators/voting members are nominated by any existing member,
who (after confirming the nominee is agreeable) files a ticket. Voting
members have 7 days to vote, majority vote determines outcome.
d) Existing voting members can be removed in roughly the same way as
the process in c). Inactive members can be removed if their is a
majority vote to do so here.
e) In other cases (aside from promoting/removing members),
broad consensus should be attempted first and if no clear consensus can
be reached a vote can be held on the issue or change.
f) when and if other channels wish to join the sig, rules for that can
be added.
kevin
12 years, 3 months
[irc-support-sig] #95: kudos for #fedora
by fedora-badges
#95: kudos for #fedora
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Reporter: notinachos | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: trivial | Milestone: Fedora 16
Version: | Severity: Positive
Keywords: | Blocked By:
Blocking: |
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= phenomenon =
After consulting the oracle (google), I still couldn't find the answer to
my question and turned to #fedora. Per usual, everyone was very helpful
and polite. They answered my question accurately and were able to direct
me to some additional reading material, which I found most helpful.
= reason =
{{{
[23:39] <notinachos> while working with netcat, it got me reading about
network socket programming in bash. seems /dev/tcp and /dev/udp are MIA
though (i'm running F16). does fedora use something else, or is this
deprecated?
[23:39] <[R]> they dont actually exist
[23:39] <[R]> its virtual
[23:39] <notinachos> ahh
[23:41] <notinachos> awesome, running the examples returned the expected
results. thanks [R] ;)
[23:43] <fenrus02> see also, /topic #bash and
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~mabzug1/bash-httpd.html
}}}
= recommendation =
I see [R] and fenrus02 in channel everyday helping people, but I'm sure
it's not everyday that somebody stops to thank them. Just wanted to let
you know it's appreciated guys ;)
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12 years, 3 months
[irc-support-sig] #94: kick and ban from -social
by fedora-badges
#94: kick and ban from -social
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Reporter: kc8hfi | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Keywords: | Blocked By:
Blocking: |
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= phenomenon =
I got kicked from the -social channel again, but this time I also got
banned.
= reason =
I asked a question about java. I understand this channel is not for
support, but this is a little rediculous. The last time I got kicked
there was a discussion about it in the weekly meeting, and I thought it
was going to be a little bit more relaxed. Here is what I have in my logs
for this time:
{{{
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:18 PM] Join You have joined the
channel #fedora-social
(~kc8hfi(a)173-80-110-184-swby.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net).
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:18 PM] Topic The channel topic is
"Topic for #fedora-social is: ≋≋≋ Welcome to Fedora's Professional Bacon
Social Realm ≋≋≋ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Social_Channel_FAQ
≋≋≋ Join us for the never ending bacon party - Bring Bacon! ≋≋≋".
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:18 PM] Topic The topic was set by
zodbot!supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot on 11/16/11 05:55 PM.
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:30 PM] Mode Channel modes: no messages
from outside
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:30 PM] Created This channel was
created on 11/26/06 01:42 AM.
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:58 PM] <kc8hfi> silentusr: yaaar!
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:49:47 PM] <silentusr> hey kc8hfi
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:07 PM] <kc8hfi> silentusr: you
work ant files and java much?
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:15 PM] <silentusr> kc8hfi: when I
have to
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:33 PM] <kc8hfi> silentusr: my
manifest file with the Class-Path ain't workin....
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:44 PM] <silentusr> kc8hfi: fpaste?
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:49 PM] <kc8hfi> if i run java
-classpath and specify it that way, it works just fine...
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:51:43 PM] <kc8hfi>
http://fpaste.org/jZC2/
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:02 PM] <kc8hfi> you can get all
the code from https://github.com/kc8hfi/scratchpad
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:07 PM] <EvilBob> ass path
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:10 PM] <EvilBob> what?
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:20 PM] <kc8hfi> silentusr: i know
this is so simple to fix....
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:38 PM] Kick silentusr has been kicked
from the channel by fedbot (not a support channel, EvilBob).
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:38 PM] Join silentusr has joined this
channel (~silentusr@securabit/listener/randomusr).
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:53:01 PM] Mode fedbot sets a ban on
kc8hfi!~kc8hfi(a)173-80-110-184-swby.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net.
[Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:53:02 PM] Kick You have been kicked from
channel #fedora-social by fedbot (Not a support channel, EvilBob).
}}}
= recommendation =
I would like a clear, precise definition for what we can and cannot do in
-social.
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12 years, 3 months
My proposal for voing and such
by Kevin Fenzi
ok, here's my proposal, feel free to pick it apart, or use it as the
basis for your own different proposal. ;)
a) The sig controls/manages the following channels:
#fedora
#fedora-social
#fedora-unregistered
#fedora-ops
b) Voting members are everyone who's an op in any of the managed
channels.
c) New channel operators are added or removed with the following
process:
1. A ticket is filed with background/info and what channel the person
would like to be added to, or should be removed from.
2. A 7 day voting period begins.
3. At the end of 7 days votes are tallied and a simply majority passes
or defeats the proposed add/remove.
d) New channels can be added or current channels removed from
management via:
1. The current sig or group that controls a channel should ask to be
added in, or agree that they would like to be when approached.
2. A vote is taken, if approved after the 7 day voting period, the
operators in the new channel all join the voting members pool and the
channel is added to the top list.
e) In other cases (aside from promoting/removing members or channels),
broad consensus should be attempted first and if no clear consensus can
be reached a vote can be held on the issue or change.
Feel free to pick it apart, add to or propose your own.
kevin
12 years, 3 months
Re: My proposal for voing and such
by warren
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> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:06:05 -0800 warren <warren(a)fedoraos.org>
> wrote:
>
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>> On 01/21/2012 09:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:33:08 -0800 warren
>>> <warren(a)fedoraos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> why should anyone need to propose it?
>>>
>>> Because it's a subjective decision... ?
>> no one should need to propose anything if
>> "$predefined_time_period" for inactivity is defined.
>
> My point is that defining such is difficult and unneeded when
> people who feel strongly about inactive people can simply propose
> them for removal when they feel they are inactive. If others agree,
> they can vote for it.
>
> This avoids people 'gaming the system' by staying just active
> enough to be able to continue to vote.
>
> kevin
My point is that "ops" should come with a pre-defined expiry date. It
shouldn't be "well, you're good enough to get voted in once, now we
need to vote and go through some lengthy process to remove you or make
you behave" i.e. secret FUDCON meeting/letter to Bob.
This would curtail the "gaming the system" greatly, although not
completely avoid it.
Anyone intent on corruption could do so by simply registering another
nick/account and being re-proposed/accepted. Anyone in a position of
power in any organization ultimately has the ability and opportunity
to take advantage and "drive" it.
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12 years, 3 months