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#174: Addressing the repeated violation of Fedora's Code of Conduct
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Reporter: strikerttd | Owner:
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'''Previously filed tickets:'''
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/90
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/91
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/126
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/150
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/168
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/169
'''Personal logs:'''
[Wednesday, November 19, 2014] [02:02:05 PM] <EvilBob> Byr0n: The world
does not revolve around you
[Thursday, December 11, 2014] [11:58:37 AM] <EvilBob> I've no time for
bullsh!t like this... Best of luck to you.
[Monday, December 15, 2014] [02:42:29 PM] <EvilBob> alipoor90: Sorry,
I can't help you with your questions because you are from an embargoed
nation...
[Monday, February 02, 2015] [11:46:27 AM] <EvilBob> Why suck the life
out of the community on the simple stuff?
[Sunday, February 15, 2015] [09:32:10 AM] <EvilBob> Read the man
pages, learn to use the tools provided. Quit sucking the life out of the
community, start helping yourself.
[Monday, March 16, 2015] [12:24:34 PM] <EvilBob> muep_: Then you
feel free to step the f up and help them
[Monday, March 16, 2015] [12:53:36 PM] <EvilBob> breadmonster: I'm
walking away, I've no interest in even spectating your train wreck at this
point.
[Monday, March 16, 2015] [12:54:14 PM] <EvilBob> breadmonster: I
suggest you read what I posted and follow the F through.
[Monday, March 16, 2015] [12:55:33 PM] <EvilBob> breadmonster:
These other two... I just have no interest in being involved where they
are.
Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:
Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
this feedback:
Some of the actions of EvilBob (Bob Jensen) within #fedora* continue to be
contrary to [https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct Fedora's Code of
Conduct] and to how, as an Ambassador, he promotes himself as following
[https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations the four foundations]. I
believe to remedy this, the following actions should be taken:
1. Make Bob Jensen aware that his negative remarks and attitude reflect
upon both the Fedora Community and the partnership with Red Hat and that
he should refrain from displaying himself in this manner, or:
2. Set a clear understanding in the IRC channels (specifically #fedora)
for those who come seeking friendly help for what they should expect as
actual behavior from the Ambassadors who reside within said channels.
Any additional notes or logs:
Thanks for your feedback!
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1:10 p.m.
#174: Addressing the repeated violation of Fedora's Code of Conduct
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Reporter: strikerttd | Owner:
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Comment (by bjensen):
Just for the record, I am not an Ambassador, in fact I am of the opinion
that the Ambassador program should be dismantled. However that is far
beyond the scope of this SIG.
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1:13 p.m.
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Comment (by strikerttd):
I was not aware that you were not an Ambassador. If that changes the
relevance of this ticket, I would like to know.
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Comment (by bjensen):
There are many things that I believe you and your "witch hunt" buddies are
unaware of. Feel free to carry on, as I have said before, I have no
interest being involved where you are.
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Comment (by strikerttd):
I am not on a "witch hunt", Bob. I merely would like for you to stop
commenting towards people the way that you have been. I have had a strong
tie with Fedora since I wrote my first program on it at 12, but feel as
though you are taking some personal anger out on those who you try to
assist within this channel.
Simply put, there is no need for you to act as you do since you are not
obligated to help at all. I want people to feel welcomed in Fedora's IRC
channels, not afraid to ask simple questions when they see you enter the
room.
"Please" stop acting towards people the way you act as I have pointed out
in the summary of this ticket.
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Comment (by bjensen):
Every 6 months or so your buddies crawl out from under their rocks and try
to start crap. I've no interest in entertaining any of you.
Half of the ops will not even do their "job" because of your friends. No
time to deal with the BS.
If a user can not or will not follow simple instructions, I have no time
for them. They become "not my problem" at that point.
Again, feel free to carry on, I have no interest being involved where you
are.
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Comment (by strikerttd):
Bob, can you explain what you mean? I am not trying to "start something".
Previously, I was going to meet with someone in private to discuss this
without making it public, but have since decided to go the official route.
What do you mean by:
Half of the ops will not even do their "job" because of your friends. No
time to deal with the BS.
Also, if people do not want to follow instructions, it does not mean you
need to make negative remarks towards them. Simply stop altogether.
Negativity helps no one.
I am opening this ticket now because after repeated meetings to discuss
the tickets I linked, nothing is happening to resolve it. You are a very
helpful person in the channels that Fedora's name is on. If you would
stop with the negative remarks, things would be perfect.
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6:08 p.m.
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Comment (by dp67):
Just so you know....
Taken from the channel FAQ
Support for US Embargoed Nations
Unfortunately, Red Hat cannot provide Fedora software, documentation or
support to individuals in Embargoed Nations, because of US export law.
I other words Bob has every right to refuse support to an embargoed
country.
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Comment (by strikerttd):
Replying to [comment:7 dp67]:
Just so you know....
Taken from the channel FAQ
Support for US Embargoed Nations
Unfortunately, Red Hat cannot provide Fedora software, documentation or
support to
individuals in Embargoed Nations, because of US export law.
I other words Bob has every right to refuse support to an embargoed
country.
Bob has every right to refuse support to anyone, but this information you
have posted was changed in a recent ticket to reflect Red Hat directly,
IIRC. That ticket can be found here:
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/157
I do not think Bob is a Red Hat employee, therefore, the statement you
have quoted does not apply to him (according to the statement), unless I
misunderstand it. But, as I said, he has the right not to help anyone at
all, if he wishes.
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Comment (by kevin):
my 2 cents (or the like):
Bob: I don't see any evidence that this reporter is someone who is part of
any group with a vendetta, they simply seem to be someone who wants you to
be more polite when disengaging with a user you don't wish to help. I
suppose you are thinking that because a user that was part of that group
also chimed in at the same time.
Some of the snippets I am not sure I see a problem with, in particular the
embargo one seems fine to me. He's just saying that he doesn't wish to
help and thats why.
The ones with F are not definitely not following the spirit of the no
cursing rule, even if they are avoiding the actual curse words.
Part of the issue is that when disengaging with a user, you need to say
"I'm not able/willing to help you anymore, please continue with others
here" and then... actually stop engaging with them. It seems like in the
March 16th log, the user continued to ask EvilBob questions when he
already said he wasn't wanting to help and then things escalated. Of
course he could have just ignored these and the user may have gone on to
others who wished to help them.
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Resolution: | Keywords: meeting
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Changes (by kevin):
* keywords: => meeting
Comment:
Adding meeting keyword for meeting tomorrow at 17:00UTC in #fedora-
meeting.
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Comment (by kevin):
So, I have been bad about keeping this ticket updated. Sorry about that.
Last week we have no quorum (only myself and one other non-voting member
showed up).
The week before we did discuss this quite a lot and in fact used up the
entire hour of our meeting timeslot. In that meeting EvilBob agreed to
stop using redacted type swear words in channel. However, he didn't see a
problem with how he was disengaging from people he no longer wished to
help.
So, I see the following possible options here:
* Striker (the filer of this ticket) noted that he would persue this via
other channels. I assume via the CWG and/or council. If he likes he could
do that and just close this ticket out.
* If voting members want to propose some kind of ban or censure, they
would have to do so and we could vote on it. So far I have seen very
little from voting members on this.
* We could discuss it further and try and convince EvilBob to be more
positive.
* We could just do nothing in the absense of votes/proposals.
I'm going to be in another meeting tomorrow and will be unable to run an
irc support sig one. Feedback or other ideas welcome in ticket.
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#174: Addressing the repeated violation of Fedora's Code of Conduct
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Reporter: strikerttd | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: closed
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 20
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Resolution: fixed | Keywords: meeting
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Changes (by strikerttd):
* resolution: => fixed
* status: new => closed
Comment:
Replying to [comment:11 kevin]:
* Striker (the filer of this ticket) noted that he would persue this
via
other channels. I assume via the CWG and/or council. If he likes he could
do that and just close this ticket out.
I do not see any current reason to keep this ticket open for discussion.
After the meeting that this ticket was discussed in, Bob's behavior
towards the users in #fedora has improved greatly. Unless mistreatment
surfaces again, I will keep this ticket in a closed state.
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