Hello, I dont have lots of extra time, but, I am more than willing to help out with wiki help. Let me know what I can do.
-Mark
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 10:44:17AM -0700, Mark Terranova wrote:
Hello, I dont have lots of extra time, but, I am more than willing to help out with wiki help. Let me know what I can do.
Someone hopefully will correct me if I'm wrong, but ...
There are a handful of things that need to be done all over the wiki, so if you've a part you are more interested in ... For example, the Ambassadors pages could probably use a dose of:
* Look for Ambassador pages that are mis-categorized or not in a category.
* Fix pages as per the wiki style guide ...
- Uh, do we have a canonical location for that, or should I reference the one under [[User:Dafrito]]?
* Start to get a handle on what large gardening tasks need to be done on the Ambassador pages.
- Moving old pages to [[Archive:]] - Renaming pages to searchable, findable, sane names - Combining or splitting out pages
There are many, many Ambassador pages -- it might be one of the most prolific wiki page creating groups. It could probably use more wiki gardeners.
- Karsten
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 10:44:17AM -0700, Mark Terranova wrote:
Hello, I dont have lots of extra time, but, I am more than willing to help out with wiki help. Let me know what I can do.
Someone hopefully will correct me if I'm wrong, but ...
There are a handful of things that need to be done all over the wiki, so if you've a part you are more interested in ... For example, the Ambassadors pages could probably use a dose of:
- Look for Ambassador pages that are mis-categorized or not in a
category.
- Fix pages as per the wiki style guide ...
- Uh, do we have a canonical location for that, or should I reference the one under [[User:Dafrito]]?
The style guide lives here for now: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Style_guide
- Start to get a handle on what large gardening tasks need to be done
on the Ambassador pages.
- Moving old pages to [[Archive:]] - Renaming pages to searchable, findable, sane names - Combining or splitting out pages
There are many, many Ambassador pages -- it might be one of the most prolific wiki page creating groups. It could probably use more wiki gardeners.
- Karsten
-- name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki gpg: AD0E0C41
wiki mailing list wiki@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki
Just a random thought: It'd be cool if these "wish list" or a "request for editor" items lived somewhere on the wiki. I know there's a trac instance, but I think that's a little more formal than what I'm thinking about...
I'm thinking that there could be a page on the wiki for people can post requests for editors. They could request content creations, wikifying a page, prettying up a proposal, proofreading, or so forth. Other viewers could comment on other requests: it'd just be a wiki page, so it'd be fluid how the format would work. It would be this asynchronous, open-ended confluence between users of the wiki and the editors.
I think we'd be even better served by such a feature than Wikipedia is served with their village pump, since our wiki is used and edited by a broader range of tasks (such as FAQs, policies, proposals, etc.). It'd provide a means for people to define how they want a document edited without being too heavy-handed or formal. Right now, a lot of the proposals, the drafts, etc. are essentially hands-off for revision since editors don't want to break people's proposals. If we provided a wish list, then people can request the level of collaboration that they want: revising them, wikifying them, prettfiying them, without affecting their content.
I think that it'd give a more fulfilling and more lively experience regarding wiki contributions. Instead of editing a random page or template, you can work on things that people have requested - this fulfillment is why I've enjoyed doing the QA stuff as much as I have. This list streamlines that process; instead of lurking in QA mailing lists, the wiki pump serves as an invitation for new contributors to get involved.
Finally, I think a pump or wish list or request list becomes an ear to the users of the wiki community. We can see what bugs people, and what doesn't, by what kinds of requests they make.
I'd be willing to write up a sample draft for this page, if it seems like an interesting idea.
-- Aaron Faanes
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 09:59:45PM -0500, Aaron Faanes wrote:
I'd be willing to write up a sample draft for this page, if it seems like an interesting idea.
Yeah, there are a number of things that strike me about this idea.
* Works for Wikipedia? Worth considering. :)
* Putting a request for help in a freeflow wiki page is a pretty easy thing to do by comparison to joining a mailing list, introducing yourself, and asking for help (cf. asking for formal Docs Team help goes like that.)
* It allows for things to be done quickly with minimal fuss.
* Puts needed work for real community efforts right in the hands of interested wiki gardeners.
* When something is written on a wiki page and referenced in a mailing list, it tends to give a bit more weight. So, ideas put on this page first and then one could email a related list, "I'm asking for help on this."
Personally, I'd find it a fun way to get some gardening in and know I'm helping.
- Karsten
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 09:59:45PM -0500, Aaron Faanes wrote:
I'd be willing to write up a sample draft for this page, if it seems like an interesting idea.
Yeah, there are a number of things that strike me about this idea.
Works for Wikipedia? Worth considering. :)
Putting a request for help in a freeflow wiki page is a pretty easy
thing to do by comparison to joining a mailing list, introducing yourself, and asking for help (cf. asking for formal Docs Team help goes like that.)
It allows for things to be done quickly with minimal fuss.
Puts needed work for real community efforts right in the hands of
interested wiki gardeners.
- When something is written on a wiki page and referenced in a mailing
list, it tends to give a bit more weight. So, ideas put on this page first and then one could email a related list, "I'm asking for help on this."
Personally, I'd find it a fun way to get some gardening in and know I'm helping.
- Karsten
-- name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki gpg: AD0E0C41
wiki mailing list wiki@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki
Here's an idea of what it could be like:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dafrito/Wiki_Request_List
It should have lots of transparency. Lots of discussion can take place through mailing lists, but things should try to make their way (through links, at least) back to the wiki. This lets tasks get picked up and dropped with minimal disruption.
Another idea is to encourage collaboration. Encouraging comments by others, having discussion be in a central place as possible maximizes collaboration. This might get noisy if we got busy, but I think we could cross that bridge when we get to it.
At the very least, this page would allow collaborators to coordinate their personal to-dos and things-that-bug-them.
-- Aaron Faanes