[FZH] 请转帖：保卫 Fedora 商标(was: Fwd: Trademark defense -- you can help!)

[Yuan Yijun]

大约是中国的某个公司在恶意抢注 Fedora 商标，Red Hat 法律部门需要一些 2007 年 1 月 30 日之前，Fedora
商标已经被使用的证据。例如，Fedora 5 或 6 的盒装版，报纸和杂志，其他出版物，各种其他商品，等等。可以将照片或扫描件发送给
edutton at redhat dot com，纸质实物发送给：

Erin Dutton
Red Hat Legal Department
Attention: Fedora TM items
1801 Varsity Drive
Raleigh, NC  27606




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt;
Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:23 PM
Subject: Trademark defense -- you can help!
To: advisory-board(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, announce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org


Red Hat Legal provides numerous services as counsel to the Fedora
community, including defending Fedora trademarks against possible
encroachment.  Occasionally, people who have no connection to our
community attempt to use the Fedora trademark to signify business
efforts that have no connection to the Fedora Project, our
distribution, or the Fedora community.

Red Hat Legal is currently working on just such a defense.  They've
asked me to pass on a request for assistance in gathering physical
evidence of our use of the Fedora logo worldwide prior to *January 30,
2007*.

Here's what Red Hat Legal needs.  Please read this description
carefully, and DO NOT REPLY to this list with attachments.  That will
keep the list usable by its many subscribers.  Please reply directly
to the addresses listed at the bottom of this email, and only if you
have something that meets one or more of these criteria.

* An item bearing the current Fedora logo that was produced or
 available in China prior to January 30, 2007 is optimal, but
 anything available worldwide would suffice.

* Tangible objects -- paper brochures, CDs, buttons, mousepads,
 balloons, webpage printouts with a print date from before 30
 January, 2007, T-shirts, etc. -- that were in existence before that
 date.  For example, a T-shirt that says "Fedora 2005" on it would be
 good, or perhaps one with just a release number that's before
 January 30, 2007.

* We have a Fedora 5 CD, but any others from before 30 January 2007
 would be good.  (AFAIK Fedora Core 6 is the only other applicable
 release, since FC5-FC6 were the two distros we produced with the
 logo prior to January 30, 2007.)[1]

* We're looking for a a hard copy of this Linux magazine from
 March, 2006:
        http://www.linux-mag.com/id/2532
        http://www.linux-mag.com/channel/back-issues/march2006
 ...plus any other magazines, ads, news articles, etc. from before
 January 30, 2007 that talk about Fedora.

If it's not obvious from the object itself what the date is, Red Hat
Legal may ask you to sign an affidavit explaining what the object is
and how you know it existed before January 30, 2007.

Again, PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS LIST WITH ATTACHMENTS.

Photos or scans of anything like CD's, T-shirts, keyrings, mouse pads,
etc. are acceptable.  You can email these directly to edutton at
redhat dot com.

If the item is paper (like the magazine), you can mail it directly to:

Erin Dutton
Red Hat Legal Department
Attention: Fedora TM items
1801 Varsity Drive
Raleigh, NC  27606


* * *
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/HistoricalSchedules

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[Liang Suilong]

貌似中国好像不是谁先用那个商标就谁就拥有这个商标哦，而是谁先向国家注册这个商标谁拥有的。要是

其实福建卫视的那个图标有没有问题的呢？

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Yuan Yijun <bbbush.yuan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  大约是中国的某个公司在恶意抢注 Fedora 商标，Red Hat 法律部门需要一些 2007 年 1 月 30 日之前，Fedora
>  商标已经被使用的证据。例如，Fedora 5 或 6 的盒装版，报纸和杂志，其他出版物，各种其他商品，等等。可以将照片或扫描件发送给
>  edutton at redhat dot com，纸质实物发送给：
>
>  Erin Dutton
>  Red Hat Legal Department
>  Attention: Fedora TM items
>  1801 Varsity Drive
>  Raleigh, NC  27606
>
>
>
>
>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>  From: Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:23 PM
>  Subject: Trademark defense -- you can help!
>  To: advisory-board(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
>  announce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>
>
>  Red Hat Legal provides numerous services as counsel to the Fedora
>  community, including defending Fedora trademarks against possible
>  encroachment.  Occasionally, people who have no connection to our
>  community attempt to use the Fedora trademark to signify business
>  efforts that have no connection to the Fedora Project, our
>  distribution, or the Fedora community.
>
>  Red Hat Legal is currently working on just such a defense.  They've
>  asked me to pass on a request for assistance in gathering physical
>  evidence of our use of the Fedora logo worldwide prior to *January 30,
>  2007*.
>
>  Here's what Red Hat Legal needs.  Please read this description
>  carefully, and DO NOT REPLY to this list with attachments.  That will
>  keep the list usable by its many subscribers.  Please reply directly
>  to the addresses listed at the bottom of this email, and only if you
>  have something that meets one or more of these criteria.
>
>  * An item bearing the current Fedora logo that was produced or
>   available in China prior to January 30, 2007 is optimal, but
>   anything available worldwide would suffice.
>
>  * Tangible objects -- paper brochures, CDs, buttons, mousepads,
>   balloons, webpage printouts with a print date from before 30
>   January, 2007, T-shirts, etc. -- that were in existence before that
>   date.  For example, a T-shirt that says "Fedora 2005" on it would be
>   good, or perhaps one with just a release number that's before
>   January 30, 2007.
>
>  * We have a Fedora 5 CD, but any others from before 30 January 2007
>   would be good.  (AFAIK Fedora Core 6 is the only other applicable
>   release, since FC5-FC6 were the two distros we produced with the
>   logo prior to January 30, 2007.)[1]
>
>  * We're looking for a a hard copy of this Linux magazine from
>   March, 2006:
>          http://www.linux-mag.com/id/2532
>          http://www.linux-mag.com/channel/back-issues/march2006
>   ...plus any other magazines, ads, news articles, etc. from before
>   January 30, 2007 that talk about Fedora.
>
>  If it's not obvious from the object itself what the date is, Red Hat
>  Legal may ask you to sign an affidavit explaining what the object is
>  and how you know it existed before January 30, 2007.
>
>  Again, PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS LIST WITH ATTACHMENTS.
>
>  Photos or scans of anything like CD's, T-shirts, keyrings, mouse pads,
>  etc. are acceptable.  You can email these directly to edutton at
>  redhat dot com.
>
>  If the item is paper (like the magazine), you can mail it directly to:
>
>  Erin Dutton
>  Red Hat Legal Department
>  Attention: Fedora TM items
>  1801 Varsity Drive
>  Raleigh, NC  27606
>
>
>  * * *
>  [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/HistoricalSchedules
>
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[zheng ping]

On Wed September 1 2010 11:23:03 Liang Suilong wrote:

注册有公示期的，这个应该是在公示期内引起了注意。就算过了公示期，国内一
样可以向法院申诉。注册商标不同行业撞车的现象很多的，甚至是相同的行业也
有撞车的。一般地域性较强的商标，就算撞车，也可能会相安无事。

>  貌似中国好像不是谁先用那个商标就谁就拥有这个商标哦，而是谁先向国家注
>  册这个商标谁拥有的。 
这个可能算不上，我倒觉得与浙江卫视的设计思路都差不多……

>  要是其实福建卫视的那个图标有没有问题的呢？

[zheng ping]

On Wed September 1 2010 09:20:29 Yuan Yijun wrote:

杂志或者是报纸上如果只出现Fedora字样算不算？相关的介绍性文章倒是有些，
但是出现Fedora的Logo或者带TM上标的Fedora的估计就比较难找了。

>  大约是中国的某个公司在恶意抢注 Fedora 商标，Red Hat 法律部门需要一些
>  2007 年 1 月 30日之前，Fedora 商标已经被使用的证据。例如，Fedora 5 或
>  6的盒装版，报纸和杂志，其他出版物，各种其他商品，等等。可以将照片或扫
>  描件发送给 edutton at redhat dot com，纸质实物发送给：
>  
>  Erin Dutton
>  Red Hat Legal Department
>  Attention: Fedora TM items
>  1801 Varsity Drive
>  Raleigh, NC  27606

[Liang Suilong]

要是找到买过 Fedora Core 6 或者之前版本盒装的朋友那就好办了。不过那个盒装上的所有商标都没有带 TM 商标的 Fedora 标志。加上
Fedora Core 和 Fedora 始终是有点区别。我那盒是 Fedora 8 的，帮不上忙了。

说到这个，其实红帽可以找北京里仁吧，因为 Fedora
的盒装版本都是北京里仁找到红帽拿授权才拿出去卖的，为什么红帽没有去联系自己的合作伙伴呢？好像现在还在卖吧。

2010/9/1 pingz <p1ng2h3ng(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  On Wed September 1 2010 09:20:29 Yuan Yijun wrote:
>
>  杂志或者是报纸上如果只出现Fedora字样算不算？相关的介绍性文章倒是有些，
>  但是出现Fedora的Logo或者带TM上标的Fedora的估计就比较难找了。
>
>  > 大约是中国的某个公司在恶意抢注 Fedora 商标，Red Hat 法律部门需要一些
>  > 2007 年 1 月 30日之前，Fedora 商标已经被使用的证据。例如，Fedora 5 或
>  > 6的盒装版，报纸和杂志，其他出版物，各种其他商品，等等。可以将照片或扫
>  > 描件发送给 edutton at redhat dot com，纸质实物发送给：
>  >
>  > Erin Dutton
>  > Red Hat Legal Department
>  > Attention: Fedora TM items
>  > 1801 Varsity Drive
>  > Raleigh, NC  27606
>  _______________________________________________
>  Chinese mailing list
>  Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
>  


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[Hexchain Tong]

貌似我小学时候在某新华书店见过盒装 Fedora 出售……

2010/9/2 Liang Suilong <liangsuilong(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  要是找到买过 Fedora Core 6 或者之前版本盒装的朋友那就好办了。不过那个盒装上的所有商标都没有带 TM 商标的 Fedora
> 标志。加上
>  Fedora Core 和 Fedora 始终是有点区别。我那盒是 Fedora 8 的，帮不上忙了。
>
>  说到这个，其实红帽可以找北京里仁吧，因为 Fedora
>  的盒装版本都是北京里仁找到红帽拿授权才拿出去卖的，为什么红帽没有去联系自己的合作伙伴呢？好像现在还在卖吧。
>
>  2010/9/1 pingz <p1ng2h3ng(a)gmail.com&gt;
>
> > On Wed September 1 2010 09:20:29 Yuan Yijun wrote:
> >
> > 杂志或者是报纸上如果只出现Fedora字样算不算？相关的介绍性文章倒是有些，
> > 但是出现Fedora的Logo或者带TM上标的Fedora的估计就比较难找了。
> >
> > > 大约是中国的某个公司在恶意抢注 Fedora 商标，Red Hat 法律部门需要一些
> > > 2007 年 1 月 30日之前，Fedora 商标已经被使用的证据。例如，Fedora 5 或
> > > 6的盒装版，报纸和杂志，其他出版物，各种其他商品，等等。可以将照片或扫
> > > 描件发送给 edutton at redhat dot com，纸质实物发送给：
> > >
> > > Erin Dutton
> > > Red Hat Legal Department
> > > Attention: Fedora TM items
> > > 1801 Varsity Drive
> > > Raleigh, NC  27606
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chinese mailing list
> > Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
> >
>
>
>
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[ideal]

我有次在第三极书店看到，可惜现在第三极都没了。

在 2010年9月2日 下午9:27，Hexchain Tong <richard0053(a)gmail.xn--com&gt;:-0s6m5392c

>  貌似我小学时候在某新华书店见过盒装 Fedora 出售……
>
>

[火志溟]

问题很严重吗？我买过Fedora Core 5，盒子大概还能找到。

[Liang Suilong]

其实问题可以很严重的，当抢注 Fedora 商标这个申请被通过以后，抢注人可以对红帽发起讼诉，控告红帽侵犯其商标，现有红帽销售的 Fedora
相关产品就会视为侵权产品。比如盒装 Fedora 软件肯定就不能再销售下去，而且红帽还得给一笔赔偿给那个抢注人呢..

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, 火志溟 <firemeditation(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  问题很严重吗？我买过Fedora Core 5，盒子大概还能找到。
>  _______________________________________________
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[iPino]

这个时候找开源共进联盟的人行不？

在 2010年9月2日 下午11:12，Liang Suilong <liangsuilong(a)gmail.com&gt; 写道：
>  其实问题可以很严重的，当抢注 Fedora 商标这个申请被通过以后，抢注人可以对红帽发起讼诉，控告红帽侵犯其商标，现有红帽销售的
> Fedora
>  相关产品就会视为侵权产品。比如盒装 Fedora 软件肯定就不能再销售下去，而且红帽还得给一笔赔偿给那个抢注人呢..
>
>  On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, 火志溟 <firemeditation(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > 问题很严重吗？我买过Fedora Core 5，盒子大概还能找到。
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chinese mailing list
> > Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
> >
>
>
>
>  --
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>  My Page: http://www.liangsuilong.info
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>

[Yuan Yijun]

好啊，上面有 Fedora 的 logo 没有？有没有发票？不过按照邮件里的说法，有 Fedora 和日期就很好了。

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, 火志溟 <firemeditation(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  问题很严重吗？我买过Fedora Core 5，盒子大概还能找到。
>  


-- 
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[火志溟]

我找到Fedora Core 5了。盒装的，有Logo。但发票找不到了。
是电子工业出版社出版的。ISBN 7-89496-871-4。我想这比发票还管用吧。



在 2010年9月3日 上午9:27，Yuan Yijun <bbbush.yuan(a)gmail.com&gt; 写道：
>  好啊，上面有 Fedora 的 logo 没有？有没有发票？不过按照邮件里的说法，有 Fedora 和日期就很好了。
>
>  On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, 火志溟 <firemeditation(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > 问题很严重吗？我买过Fedora Core 5，盒子大概还能找到。
> >
>
>
>
>  --
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[丘八]

我有fedora4-8的全部盒装和cd&DVD.要如何帮忙？

在 2010年9月4日 下午4:50，火志溟 <firemeditation(a)gmail.xn--com&gt;:-0s6m5392c

>  我找到Fedora Core 5了。盒装的，有Logo。但发票找不到了。
>  是电子工业出版社出版的。ISBN 7-89496-871-4。我想这比发票还管用吧。
>
>
>
>  在 2010年9月3日 上午9:27，Yuan Yijun <bbbush.yuan(a)gmail.com&gt; 写道：
>  > 好啊，上面有 Fedora 的 logo 没有？有没有发票？不过按照邮件里的说法，有 Fedora 和日期就很好了。
>  >
>  > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, 火志溟 <firemeditation(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >> 问题很严重吗？我买过Fedora Core 5，盒子大概还能找到。
>  >>
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
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>  >
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>

[Liang Suilong]

给 Fedora 拍照，然后发邮件到 edutton at redhat dot com 就可以了。

当然你可以把整个盒装软件邮寄到红帽的办公室，但是邮费蛮高的哦...

2010/9/5 金鑫 <firegnu(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  我有fedora4-8的全部盒装和cd&DVD.要如何帮忙？
>
>  在 2010年9月4日 下午4:50，火志溟 <firemeditation(a)gmail.xn--com&gt;:-0s6m5392c
>
>  > 我找到Fedora Core 5了。盒装的，有Logo。但发票找不到了。
>  > 是电子工业出版社出版的。ISBN 7-89496-871-4。我想这比发票还管用吧。
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > 在 2010年9月3日 上午9:27，Yuan Yijun <bbbush.yuan(a)gmail.com&gt; 写道：
>  > > 好啊，上面有 Fedora 的 logo 没有？有没有发票？不过按照邮件里的说法，有 Fedora 和日期就很好了。
>  > >
>  > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, 火志溟 <firemeditation(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > >> 问题很严重吗？我买过Fedora Core 5，盒子大概还能找到。
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > bbbush ^_^
>  > > _______________________________________________
>  > > Chinese mailing list
>  > > Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
>  > >
>  > _______________________________________________
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>  > Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org
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>  >
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