9:20 a.m.
I just updated from 2.0.11-2.el5 to 2.2.2-1.el5
Things burped momentarily while I swapped out mod_python and repaired the effected config
files, but that took no time at all.
I brought up the new Web-UI and one of the first things to catch my eye was the Resources
heading with Packages and Files under it.
Looking for details, I found some on the "Start Here" Wiki Page:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Start%20Here
...under a sub-heading of "Management Classes and Resources"
It describes how to add a package or file resource.
It implies that these resources can be grouped into a management class.
It then references another wiki page:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Built%20in%20configuration%20mana...
This page talks about "Template files" and "Leveraging Mod Python"
(how do I leverage that which I just removed?)
It contains nothing about file/package resources.
Google-ing about produced a moderate amount of very confusing results, none that help.
Where, please, do I find details on these resource types and how to use them ?
“Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe
is that none of it has tried to contact us.”
Bill Waterson (Calvin & Hobbes)
6:01 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Dan White <ygor(a)comcast.net> wrote:
I just updated from 2.0.11-2.el5 to 2.2.2-1.el5
Things burped momentarily while I swapped out mod_python and repaired the effected config
files, but that took no time at all.
I brought up the new Web-UI and one of the first things to catch my eye was the Resources
heading with Packages and Files under it.
Looking for details, I found some on the "Start Here" Wiki Page:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Start%20Here
...under a sub-heading of "Management Classes and Resources"
It describes how to add a package or file resource.
Which happens on the two pages
Packages and Files.
It implies that these resources can be grouped into a management
class.
Which happens under the Resouces expansion when editing a management class
It then references another wiki page:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Built%20in%20configuration%20mana...
So I
believe that is most specifically if you intent is to use Cobbler
as the CMS. If you are just using cobbler as an external node for
puppet (or whichever CM you are working with) then this page is not
relevant.
This page talks about "Template files" and "Leveraging
Mod Python" (how do I leverage that which I just removed?)
It contains nothing about file/package resources.
So the Leveraging Mod Python
definitely needs to be updated. I'm not
sure how this is handled with wsgi. The template files is referring
to the same files in Resources (I believe). You have to place your
template file on the file system and configure it in the Resources ->
Files section.
Google-ing about produced a moderate amount of very confusing
results, none that help.
Where, please, do I find details on these resource types and how to use them ?
The documentation is very much a how you use it, not here is how you
do X, Y, or Z with it. With that in mind, what are you trying to
accomplish?
Any help you'd like to give in making the documentation more
accessible is also greatly appreciated.
greg
9:31 p.m.
On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Greg Swift wrote:
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Dan White <ygor(a)comcast.net>
wrote:
> I just updated from 2.0.11-2.el5 to 2.2.2-1.el5
>
> Things burped momentarily while I swapped out mod_python and repaired the effected
config files, but that took no time at all.
>
> I brought up the new Web-UI and one of the first things to catch my eye was the
Resources heading with Packages and Files under it.
>
> Looking for details, I found some on the "Start Here" Wiki Page:
> https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Start%20Here
> ...under a sub-heading of "Management Classes and Resources"
>
> It describes how to add a package or file resource.
Which happens on the two pages Packages and Files.
A link to these pages would be nice.
All I can find about packages is this:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Package%20Management%20and%20Mirr...
and that is more about yum mirroring
BTW, here's how I am looking:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:github.com+cobbler+package
> It implies that these resources can be grouped into a management class.
Which happens under the Resouces expansion when editing a management class
Again, a link, please ?
> It then references another wiki page:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Built%20in%20configuration%20mana...
So I believe that is most specifically if you intent is to use Cobbler
as the CMS. If you are just using cobbler as an external node for
puppet (or whichever CM you are working with) then this page is not
relevant.
> This page talks about "Template files" and "Leveraging Mod
Python" (how do I leverage that which I just removed?)
> It contains nothing about file/package resources.
So the Leveraging Mod Python definitely needs to be updated. I'm not
sure how this is handled with wsgi. The template files is referring
to the same files in Resources (I believe). You have to place your
template file on the file system and configure it in the Resources ->
Files section.
> Google-ing about produced a moderate amount of very confusing results, none that
help.
>
> Where, please, do I find details on these resource types and how to use them ?
The documentation is very much a how you use it, not here is how you
do X, Y, or Z with it. With that in mind, what are you trying to
accomplish?
Definitely a chicken-and-egg dilemma.
Unless I know what the feature is capable of, I have no expectations.
I am trying to understand what it can do so that I can figure out how I might utilize it.
10:30 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Dan White <ygor(a)comcast.net> wrote:
On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Greg Swift wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Dan White <ygor(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>> I just updated from 2.0.11-2.el5 to 2.2.2-1.el5
>>
>> Things burped momentarily while I swapped out mod_python and repaired
the
effected config files, but that took no time at all.
>>
>> I brought up the new Web-UI and one of the first things to catch my eye
was
the Resources heading with Packages and Files under it.
>>
>> Looking for details, I found some on the "Start Here" Wiki Page:
>> https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Start%20Here
>> ...under a sub-heading of "Management Classes and Resources"
>>
>> It describes how to add a package or file resource.
> Which happens on the two pages Packages and Files.
A link to these pages would be nice.
I meant the two pages Packages and Files that are in your Cobbler Web UI. I
conceed to the lack of "this is how use use this" documentation.
All I can find about packages is this:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Package%20Management%20and%20Mirr...
and that is more about yum mirroring
BTW, here's how I am looking:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:github.com+cobbler+package
>
>> It implies that these resources can be grouped into a management class.
> Which happens under the Resouces expansion when editing a management
class
Again, a link, please ?
I was referring to the management classes section of the Web ui
specifically.
>> It then references another wiki page:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Built%20in%20configuration%20mana...
> So I believe that is most specifically if you intent is to use
Cobbler
> as the CMS. If you are just using cobbler as an external node for
> puppet (or whichever CM you are working with) then this page is not
> relevant.
>
>> This page talks about "Template files" and "Leveraging Mod
Python" (how
do I leverage that which I just removed?)
>> It contains nothing about file/package resources.
> So the Leveraging Mod Python definitely needs to be updated. I'm not
> sure how this is handled with wsgi. The template files is referring
> to the same files in Resources (I believe). You have to place your
> template file on the file system and configure it in the Resources ->
> Files section.
>
>> Google-ing about produced a moderate amount of very confusing results,
none
that help.
>>
>> Where, please, do I find details on these resource types and how to use
them ?
>
> The documentation is very much a how you use it, not here is how you
> do X, Y, or Z with it. With that in mind, what are you trying to
> accomplish?
Definitely a chicken-and-egg dilemma.
Unless I know what the feature is capable of, I have no expectations.
I am trying to understand what it can do so that I can figure out how I
might
utilize it.
Okay. So in summary, its either a light weight CMS or the configuration
repository for an external CMS.
When using an external CMS it provides a list of strings that should
theoretically tie to classes (or whatever that CMS calls them). For
example, I may define the following management classes in puppet: base,
webserver, firewall. Note that I am not configuring anything in Packages or
Files at this point. I would then configure the external CMS to access
cobbler's data.
Run 'cobbler-ext-node $fqdn' to see the puppet formatted output.
This is discussed at:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Using%20Cobbler%20With%20A%20Conf...
Now, as a light weight CMS let me start but saying i've never used it this
way. And here I agree the documentation is definitely light. What i
gather is:
First lets look at packages. You can define packages that you want
installed/not installed on a system along with the installer type and
version, and this "set" of data is associated with the package name. (The
Action and Installer fields should probably be converted to drop downs if
possible). This just creates a general resource that can be referenced by
a management class.
Now Files, or template files, are the next resource. Technically the file
can be static by not inserting any cheetah syntax or variables, but the
primary documented use case is to use the cheetah templating to create base
files that will have varying configurations based on host information.
(this bit is in
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Built%20In%20Configuration%20Mana...)
I am a bit lost fon where you would put the template based on reading the
document and clicking around in the code and web ui for a few minutes. At
this point my guess would be that its created as a Kickstart Template
(which if this is the case seems messed up to me). But the point stays the
same. You create a file that can be added as a resource to a management
class.
Once you have either Packages or Files, or both added to a management class
you can then go into a Profile or System and associate that management
class with that configuration. Then your kickstart needs to have the
download_config_files snippet included (see sample_end.ks for an example).
I do not see where packages get called.
So anyone want to/capable of filling in the gaps?
-greg
7:21 a.m.
Thanks for your response, Greg, it helps.
Bottom line, for me, I am currently using Puppet to handle file and package resources.
This seems to me to be a redundancy for my Cobbler/Puppet setup.
“Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe
is that none of it has tried to contact us.”
Bill Waterson (Calvin & Hobbes)
----- Greg Swift <gregswift(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Dan White <ygor(a)comcast.net>
wrote:
>
> On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Greg Swift wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Dan White <ygor(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>> I just updated from 2.0.11-2.el5 to 2.2.2-1.el5
>>>
>>> Things burped momentarily while I swapped out mod_python and repaired
the effected config files, but that took no time at all.
>>>
>>> I brought up the new Web-UI and one of the first things to catch my eye
was the Resources heading with Packages and Files under it.
>>>
>>> Looking for details, I found some on the "Start Here" Wiki Page:
>>> https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Start%20Here
>>> ...under a sub-heading of "Management Classes and Resources"
>>>
>>> It describes how to add a package or file resource.
>> Which happens on the two pages Packages and Files.
>
> A link to these pages would be nice.
I meant the two pages Packages and Files that are in your Cobbler Web UI. I
conceed to the lack of "this is how use use this" documentation.
> All I can find about packages is this:
>
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Package%20Management%20and%20Mirr...
> and that is more about yum mirroring
>
> BTW, here's how I am looking:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=site:github.com+cobbler+package
>
>>
>>> It implies that these resources can be grouped into a management class.
>> Which happens under the Resouces expansion when editing a management
class
>
> Again, a link, please ?
I was referring to the management classes section of the Web ui
specifically.
>>> It then references another wiki page:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Built%20in%20configuration%20mana...
>> So I believe that is most specifically if you intent is to use Cobbler
>> as the CMS. If you are just using cobbler as an external node for
>> puppet (or whichever CM you are working with) then this page is not
>> relevant.
>>
>>> This page talks about "Template files" and "Leveraging Mod
Python" (how
do I leverage that which I just removed?)
>>> It contains nothing about file/package resources.
>> So the Leveraging Mod Python definitely needs to be updated. I'm not
>> sure how this is handled with wsgi. The template files is referring
>> to the same files in Resources (I believe). You have to place your
>> template file on the file system and configure it in the Resources ->
>> Files section.
>>
>>> Google-ing about produced a moderate amount of very confusing results,
none that help.
>>>
>>> Where, please, do I find details on these resource types and how to use
them ?
>>
>> The documentation is very much a how you use it, not here is how you
>> do X, Y, or Z with it. With that in mind, what are you trying to
>> accomplish?
>
> Definitely a chicken-and-egg dilemma.
> Unless I know what the feature is capable of, I have no expectations.
> I am trying to understand what it can do so that I can figure out how I
might utilize it.
Okay. So in summary, its either a light weight CMS or the configuration
repository for an external CMS.
When using an external CMS it provides a list of strings that should
theoretically tie to classes (or whatever that CMS calls them). For
example, I may define the following management classes in puppet: base,
webserver, firewall. Note that I am not configuring anything in Packages or
Files at this point. I would then configure the external CMS to access
cobbler's data.
Run 'cobbler-ext-node $fqdn' to see the puppet formatted output.
This is discussed at:
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Using%20Cobbler%20With%20A%20Conf...
Now, as a light weight CMS let me start but saying i've never used it this
way. And here I agree the documentation is definitely light. What i
gather is:
First lets look at packages. You can define packages that you want
installed/not installed on a system along with the installer type and
version, and this "set" of data is associated with the package name. (The
Action and Installer fields should probably be converted to drop downs if
possible). This just creates a general resource that can be referenced by
a management class.
Now Files, or template files, are the next resource. Technically the file
can be static by not inserting any cheetah syntax or variables, but the
primary documented use case is to use the cheetah templating to create base
files that will have varying configurations based on host information.
(this bit is in
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Built%20In%20Configuration%20Mana...)
I am a bit lost fon where you would put the template based on reading the
document and clicking around in the code and web ui for a few minutes. At
this point my guess would be that its created as a Kickstart Template
(which if this is the case seems messed up to me). But the point stays the
same. You create a file that can be added as a resource to a management
class.
Once you have either Packages or Files, or both added to a management class
you can then go into a Profile or System and associate that management
class with that configuration. Then your kickstart needs to have the
download_config_files snippet included (see sample_end.ks for an example).
I do not see where packages get called.
So anyone want to/capable of filling in the gaps?
-greg
8:09 a.m.
Ya.. the lightweight CMS in cobbler is much more of a 'if you don't
have or want something more involved like puppet'.
That being said, I use the management classes as an external node
classifier for puppet so that I don't have to define my systems in
puppet too.
But if you've already got puppet going *shrug* may not be worth the effort.
-greg
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Dan White <ygor(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Thanks for your response, Greg, it helps.
Bottom line, for me, I am currently using Puppet to handle file and package resources.
This seems to me to be a redundancy for my Cobbler/Puppet setup.
“Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe
is that none of it has tried to contact us.”
Bill Waterson (Calvin & Hobbes)
----- Greg Swift <gregswift(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Dan White <ygor(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Greg Swift wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Dan White <ygor(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> I just updated from 2.0.11-2.el5 to 2.2.2-1.el5
> >>>
> >>> Things burped momentarily while I swapped out mod_python and repaired
> the effected config files, but that took no time at all.
> >>>
> >>> I brought up the new Web-UI and one of the first things to catch my eye
> was the Resources heading with Packages and Files under it.
> >>>
> >>> Looking for details, I found some on the "Start Here" Wiki
Page:
> >>> https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Start%20Here
> >>> ...under a sub-heading of "Management Classes and Resources"
> >>>
> >>> It describes how to add a package or file resource.
> >> Which happens on the two pages Packages and Files.
> >
> > A link to these pages would be nice.
>
> I meant the two pages Packages and Files that are in your Cobbler Web UI. I
> conceed to the lack of "this is how use use this" documentation.
>
> > All I can find about packages is this:
> >
> https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Package%20Management%20and%20Mirr...
> > and that is more about yum mirroring
> >
> > BTW, here's how I am looking:
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=site:github.com+cobbler+package
> >
> >>
> >>> It implies that these resources can be grouped into a management class.
> >> Which happens under the Resouces expansion when editing a management
> class
> >
> > Again, a link, please ?
>
> I was referring to the management classes section of the Web ui
> specifically.
>
> >>> It then references another wiki page:
> https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Built%20in%20configuration%20mana...
> >> So I believe that is most specifically if you intent is to use Cobbler
> >> as the CMS. If you are just using cobbler as an external node for
> >> puppet (or whichever CM you are working with) then this page is not
> >> relevant.
> >>
> >>> This page talks about "Template files" and "Leveraging
Mod Python" (how
> do I leverage that which I just removed?)
> >>> It contains nothing about file/package resources.
> >> So the Leveraging Mod Python definitely needs to be updated. I'm not
> >> sure how this is handled with wsgi. The template files is referring
> >> to the same files in Resources (I believe). You have to place your
> >> template file on the file system and configure it in the Resources ->
> >> Files section.
> >>
> >>> Google-ing about produced a moderate amount of very confusing results,
> none that help.
> >>>
> >>> Where, please, do I find details on these resource types and how to use
> them ?
> >>
> >> The documentation is very much a how you use it, not here is how you
> >> do X, Y, or Z with it. With that in mind, what are you trying to
> >> accomplish?
> >
> > Definitely a chicken-and-egg dilemma.
> > Unless I know what the feature is capable of, I have no expectations.
> > I am trying to understand what it can do so that I can figure out how I
> might utilize it.
>
> Okay. So in summary, its either a light weight CMS or the configuration
> repository for an external CMS.
>
> When using an external CMS it provides a list of strings that should
> theoretically tie to classes (or whatever that CMS calls them). For
> example, I may define the following management classes in puppet: base,
> webserver, firewall. Note that I am not configuring anything in Packages or
> Files at this point. I would then configure the external CMS to access
> cobbler's data.
>
> Run 'cobbler-ext-node $fqdn' to see the puppet formatted output.
>
> This is discussed at:
>
>
https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Using%20Cobbler%20With%20A%20Conf...
>
>
> Now, as a light weight CMS let me start but saying i've never used it this
> way. And here I agree the documentation is definitely light. What i
> gather is:
>
> First lets look at packages. You can define packages that you want
> installed/not installed on a system along with the installer type and
> version, and this "set" of data is associated with the package name. (The
> Action and Installer fields should probably be converted to drop downs if
> possible). This just creates a general resource that can be referenced by
> a management class.
> Now Files, or template files, are the next resource. Technically the file
> can be static by not inserting any cheetah syntax or variables, but the
> primary documented use case is to use the cheetah templating to create base
> files that will have varying configurations based on host information.
> (this bit is in
> https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Built%20In%20Configuration%20Mana...)
> I am a bit lost fon where you would put the template based on reading the
> document and clicking around in the code and web ui for a few minutes. At
> this point my guess would be that its created as a Kickstart Template
> (which if this is the case seems messed up to me). But the point stays the
> same. You create a file that can be added as a resource to a management
> class.
>
> Once you have either Packages or Files, or both added to a management class
> you can then go into a Profile or System and associate that management
> class with that configuration. Then your kickstart needs to have the
> download_config_files snippet included (see sample_end.ks for an example).
>
> I do not see where packages get called.
>
> So anyone want to/capable of filling in the gaps?
>
> -greg
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