[Design Team] #421: Official font and presentation templates need update

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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Reporter:  pfrields                            |       Owner:
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 Our official font choices seem a little dated (circa 2010), compared to
 what we're using in practice on the web and in other media:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/Fedora_Branding_Fonts

 For instance, our current choices on the [https://getfedora.org web site]
 and in other places include:
 * [http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/open-sans Open Sans]
 * [http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/montserrat Montserrat]
 * [http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/overpass Overpass]* -- often used in
 Red Hat related materials, may not be applicable for Fedora

 The [https://fedoramagazine.org Magazine] also makes use of
 [http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/molot Molot],
 [http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/roboto-slab Roboto Slab], and
 [http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/grand-hotel Grand Hotel].

 Whatever is decided here, it would be good to update both the
 [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/Fedora_Branding_Fonts branding font
 page] and the [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations/Template
 official presentation template] accordingly.

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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Changes (by mattdm):

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:  sam08
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  assigned
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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:  sam08
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  assigned
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Comment (by sam08):

 Hi all,

 so, here's what came out of a survey I made on the fonts generally used
 across the different media.

 We in the Design Team are still using Comfortaa a lot, specifically for
 headlines, posters, banners; and I think that all in all it's quite
 effective. Replacing it with something else would also mean changing all
 the sub-logos [team, application, etc] which are essentially built on it.

 I haven't seen any trace of Quicksand or Arista 2.0 around, though the
 former looks good.

 Talking about text body, generally Cantarell is preferred over Droid Sans
 – but they're both typefaces meant for screen reading, so maybe they're
 not the right choice for print.

 About the other fonts mentioned in the description:
 Open Sans has also been considered as an alternative by the Design Team;
 Montserrat may work well as a sans serif font too.

 Personally, I would avoid an extensive use of Molot, Grand Hotel or
 Overpass, while I think that Roboto Slab [and the whole Roboto family] can
 be a good option for text body, both on screen and print.

 There are many interesting typefaces around, but I think trying to keep
 them consistent across all the branches is what we should do; we will
 discuss about this during the next meeting and once we come to a
 conclusion I will update both the wiki and the template.

 I'm attaching for reference a PNG with some sample text for each typeface.

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:  sam08
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  assigned
  Priority:  medium                              |  Severity:  Moderately
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Comment (by duffy):

 Hey Sam!

 This is something ryanlerch and I have talked about in the past - we only
 use Comfortaa for sublogos (except for Montserrat, which we use for the
 Fedora Editions sublogos) - and I think that practice will continue for
 the foreseeable future. But with the new Fedora.next website, we were
 thinking OpenSans is the way to go for body text - it has a wide range of
 weights (more than most open fonts). I don't think adopting it would
 require changing all the sublogos, even if we used OpenSans for headlines.
 This is definitely a good topic for the next meeting.

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:  sam08
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  assigned
  Priority:  medium                              |  Severity:  Moderately
Resolution:                                      |  Involved
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Changes (by duffy):

 * keywords:   => triaged


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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:  sam08
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  assigned
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Resolution:                                      |  Involved
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Comment (by pfrields):

 How is Open Sans rendering on Fedora itself? I opened the Font Viewer tool
 in GNOME and saw some weird things with it. For instance, in "quick"
 there's odd spacing between q and u, and the same with u and m in "jumps."
 Notably this is on a 1680x1050 monitor and F23. I can't tell whether this
 is the case on my hidpi laptop, since that box (1) is on F24, and (2) the
 font viewer appears to have some bug in displaying fonts there (although
 I'm updating to see if that fixes things).

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:  sam08
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  assigned
  Priority:  medium                              |  Severity:  Moderately
Resolution:                                      |  Involved
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Comment (by duffy):

 note the guidelines were already updated, but we still need to update the
 templates. to make this less nebulous, the next step will be to come up
 with a listing of the templates in need of updating.

 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/429

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:  sam08
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  assigned
  Priority:  medium                              |  Severity:  Moderately
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Comment (by elioqoshi):

 I updated the slide templates accordingly with Montserrat and Open Sans. I
 however used Montserrat Light instead of Default as its weight was more
 similar to Comfortaa.

 I have created also 2 more variations with a solid background fill (the
 old bubble background is a bit noisy and outdated as far as I know (please
 correct me if I'm wrong).

 Additionally I have created also a light version with light background and
 dark text (which looks a bit more welcoming in my opinion).

 Looking forward to feedback so we can finish the wide version templates as
 well.

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:  sam08
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  assigned
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Comment (by gnokii):

 @elioquoshi

 just some notes, its not just change the fonts and thats it. Its more to
 change all of it so that it reflects our branding guidelines

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines

 so that it reflects the changes, we have/had to incorporate with getting
 the flavors and their logos. Ryan made a nice pattern for these, which is
 also available in blue. Combining these pattern into the the slide might
 make sense and reflects the brand better.

 There might be more considered to do even different slides for topics when
 it is related to the flavor instead of dark/light background.

 So its not just the cheap I change the font otherwise it would been done
 already.

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  new
  Priority:  medium                              |  Severity:  Moderately
Resolution:                                      |  Involved
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Changes (by duffy):

 * owner:  sam08 =>
 * status:  assigned => new


Comment:

 I'm going to clear the assignee field since it's been 6 months+ since
 sam08 worked on the ticket. I hope that's ok, Sam!

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#421: Official font and presentation templates need update
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  Reporter:  pfrields                            |     Owner:
      Type:  UX/Interaction Research and Design  |    Status:  new
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Comment (by duffy):

 elioqoshi - thanks for putting these together - I do think we want to
 update the overall style to match our new branding as well, and update the
 guidelines too. I tried your files but for some reason the fonts aren't
 loading - and i have them installed. Will have to investigate further,
 maybe a LO bug.

 For now we're leaving this ticket open, if someone wants to claim it
 please do.

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