Hi! We've just started planning our Brno's Base OS guys FUDCon attendance and we're looking for more details - especially lodging to plan our budget. Are there any cheaper options around or will we have a deal with some hotel? Would be great to have this informations as soon as possible, to book flight (there are some cheap options from Vienna but you know, low cost ;-).
Unfortunately it's going to be tight as there's LinuxCon, Plumbers... But I think it really makes European FUDCon better to have as many as possible Brno guys.
Thanks Jaroslav
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jreznik@redhat.com wrote:
Hi! We've just started planning our Brno's Base OS guys FUDCon attendance and we're looking for more details - especially lodging to plan our budget. Are there any cheaper options around or will we have a deal with some hotel? Would be great to have this informations as soon as possible, to book flight (there are some cheap options from Vienna but you know, low cost ;-).
Unfortunately it's going to be tight as there's LinuxCon, Plumbers... But I think it really makes European FUDCon better to have as many as possible Brno guys.
Thanks Jaroslav -- Jaroslav Řezník jreznik@redhat.com Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno
Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 602 797 774 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/
Hi,
We have a deal with an hotel, for 30 twins and 3 nights: A twin at 81€ (exclusive of taxes) per night. I've asked famsco to describe me how to manage rooms reservation/fees with regard to the contributors, but they just asked me back for precisions. I haven't given precise question yet.
Which is: How to manage this hotel reservation: - Do I have to assign a room for all that asked for? - Who is going to pay, Red Hat for all or one contributor could pay by itself but with our special rates (pay back to Red Hat?) - How is it linked to the $$$ column on the reservation table?
- I could also ask for more rooms, but we won't have so much time.
We have the EMEA meeting tonight, I am not sure to be able to join, (would be traveling), but if you could bring this question that could help.
Thanks,
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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jreznik@redhat.com wrote:
Hi! We've just started planning our Brno's Base OS guys FUDCon attendance and we're looking for more details - especially lodging to plan our budget. Are there any cheaper options around or will we have a deal with some hotel? Would be great to have this informations as soon as possible, to book flight (there are some cheap options from Vienna but you know, low cost ;-).
Unfortunately it's going to be tight as there's LinuxCon, Plumbers... But I think it really makes European FUDCon better to have as many as possible Brno guys.
Thanks Jaroslav -- Jaroslav Řezník jreznik@redhat.com Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno
Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 602 797 774 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/
Hi,
Hi Kévin!
We have a deal with an hotel, for 30 twins and 3 nights: A twin at 81€ (exclusive of taxes) per night.
And the tax is?
I've asked famsco to describe me how to manage rooms reservation/fees with regard to the contributors, but they just asked me back for precisions. I haven't given precise question yet.
Which is: How to manage this hotel reservation:
- Do I have to assign a room for all that asked for?
I expect we should prefer sponsored/rh people but we should not deny individual contributors to have this rate if there's room.
- Who is going to pay, Red Hat for all or one contributor could pay
by itself but with our special rates (pay back to Red Hat?)
Last year we paid it separately - for Brno guys I paid it together, Jared paid for Fedora sponsored people and there were few individuals too (or smaller Red Hat teams, not sure right now ;-).
How is it linked to the $$$ column on the reservation table?
I could also ask for more rooms, but we won't have so much time.
We have the EMEA meeting tonight, I am not sure to be able to join, (would be traveling), but if you could bring this question that could help.
I'll try to join it too (it's after Board, so I'll be online).
R.
Thanks,
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[snip]
We have a deal with an hotel, for 30 twins and 3 nights: A twin at 81€ (exclusive of taxes) per night.
And the tax is?
+19.6%
I've asked famsco to describe me how to manage rooms reservation/fees with regard to the contributors, but they just asked me back for precisions. I haven't given precise question yet.
Which is: How to manage this hotel reservation:
- Do I have to assign a room for all that asked for?
I expect we should prefer sponsored/rh people but we should not deny individual contributors to have this rate if there's room.
- Who is going to pay, Red Hat for all or one contributor could pay
by itself but with our special rates (pay back to Red Hat?)
Last year we paid it separately - for Brno guys I paid it together, Jared paid for Fedora sponsored people and there were few individuals too (or smaller Red Hat teams, not sure right now ;-).
I would prefer if it could be paid by RH and then individuals to reimburse back RH, or our NPO could be the buffer, as our hotel would like to be paid with only two payment (first to confirm the reservation and then to paid the whole part a month before) Should I see with Robyn, as the FPL is managing budget?
If you know how many your are going to be, I can ask for more twins in our contract, I have asked for 60 people like I was recommended to do, but it would be hard to ask for more in a month.
How is it linked to the $$$ column on the reservation table?
I could also ask for more rooms, but we won't have so much time.
We have the EMEA meeting tonight, I am not sure to be able to join, (would be traveling), but if you could bring this question that could help.
I'll try to join it too (it's after Board, so I'll be online).
R.
Thanks,
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----- Original Message -----
[snip]
We have a deal with an hotel, for 30 twins and 3 nights: A twin at 81€ (exclusive of taxes) per night.
And the tax is?
+19.6%
I've asked famsco to describe me how to manage rooms reservation/fees with regard to the contributors, but they just asked me back for precisions. I haven't given precise question yet.
Which is: How to manage this hotel reservation:
- Do I have to assign a room for all that asked for?
I expect we should prefer sponsored/rh people but we should not deny individual contributors to have this rate if there's room.
- Who is going to pay, Red Hat for all or one contributor could
pay by itself but with our special rates (pay back to Red Hat?)
Last year we paid it separately - for Brno guys I paid it together, Jared paid for Fedora sponsored people and there were few individuals too (or smaller Red Hat teams, not sure right now ;-).
I would prefer if it could be paid by RH and then individuals to reimburse back RH, or our NPO could be the buffer, as our hotel would like to be paid with only two payment (first to confirm the reservation and then to paid the whole part a month before) Should I see with Robyn, as the FPL is managing budget?
It can be quite difficult for us to do cross department payments but if hotel insist on a one big payment, I think we can deal with it.
If you know how many your are going to be, I can ask for more twins in our contract, I have asked for 60 people like I was recommended to do, but it would be hard to ask for more in a month.
As I said - not sure how many people will come, with Jiri, we try to get the number right now. Fedora QA will have meeting with theirs boss tmrw, I have to ask Fedora Docs team too (and probably other people will be interested too, but no reply yet...).
R.
How is it linked to the $$$ column on the reservation table?
I could also ask for more rooms, but we won't have so much time.
We have the EMEA meeting tonight, I am not sure to be able to join, (would be traveling), but if you could bring this question that could help.
I'll try to join it too (it's after Board, so I'll be online).
R.
Thanks,
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On 05/16/2012 08:32 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
----- Original Message -----
[snip]
We have a deal with an hotel, for 30 twins and 3 nights: A twin at 81€ (exclusive of taxes) per night.
And the tax is?
+19.6%
I've asked famsco to describe me how to manage rooms reservation/fees with regard to the contributors, but they just asked me back for precisions. I haven't given precise question yet.
Which is: How to manage this hotel reservation:
- Do I have to assign a room for all that asked for?
I expect we should prefer sponsored/rh people but we should not deny individual contributors to have this rate if there's room.
- Who is going to pay, Red Hat for all or one contributor could
pay by itself but with our special rates (pay back to Red Hat?)
Last year we paid it separately - for Brno guys I paid it together, Jared paid for Fedora sponsored people and there were few individuals too (or smaller Red Hat teams, not sure right now ;-).
I would prefer if it could be paid by RH and then individuals to reimburse back RH, or our NPO could be the buffer, as our hotel would like to be paid with only two payment (first to confirm the reservation and then to paid the whole part a month before) Should I see with Robyn, as the FPL is managing budget?
It can be quite difficult for us to do cross department payments but if hotel insist on a one big payment, I think we can deal with it.
So we discussed this a bit last week in the EMEA Ambassador meeting, but just to follow up here:
It's a lot easier to have the ability to have people book their own rooms from a block with our name on it, and then have Red Hat pick up the tab for sponsored rooms onsite (including having multiple departments pick up their portion - ie. folks sponsored vs. Brno Attendees can be paid for separately).
What we normally do is work with the hotel to come up with a final number of rooms for a block, and we put a credit card down for that, and if individuals don't utilize the number of rooms then we pay some % portion of the difference.
Are they really unwilling to hold a block of rooms until a certain date, and are they also unwilling to do anything other than "we must book and pay for the full block of rooms" vs. what I outlined above?
We can't do a "pay back Red Hat" situation (no way to receive money). I suppose the NPO route is possible but then you'd need to be able to apply some of that money towards FUDCon, and I would suspect you won't see some of that money until FUDCon. Additionally, lots of people do want to use credit cards and not cash for paying for their hotel (receipts for work, etc.) and I suspect the NPO has no way to take credit cards for payment, at least not in any way that would provide something workable for attendees to have as a receipt.
Thoughts? Kevin, have you spoken with the hotel since last week?
-Robyn
If you know how many your are going to be, I can ask for more twins in our contract, I have asked for 60 people like I was recommended to do, but it would be hard to ask for more in a month.
As I said - not sure how many people will come, with Jiri, we try to get the number right now. Fedora QA will have meeting with theirs boss tmrw, I have to ask Fedora Docs team too (and probably other people will be interested too, but no reply yet...).
R.
How is it linked to the $$$ column on the reservation table?
I could also ask for more rooms, but we won't have so much time.
We have the EMEA meeting tonight, I am not sure to be able to join, (would be traveling), but if you could bring this question that could help.
I'll try to join it too (it's after Board, so I'll be online).
R.
Thanks,
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----- Original Message -----
On 05/16/2012 08:32 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
----- Original Message -----
[snip]
We have a deal with an hotel, for 30 twins and 3 nights: A twin at 81€ (exclusive of taxes) per night.
And the tax is?
+19.6%
I've asked famsco to describe me how to manage rooms reservation/fees with regard to the contributors, but they just asked me back for precisions. I haven't given precise question yet.
Which is: How to manage this hotel reservation:
- Do I have to assign a room for all that asked for?
I expect we should prefer sponsored/rh people but we should not deny individual contributors to have this rate if there's room.
- Who is going to pay, Red Hat for all or one contributor could
pay by itself but with our special rates (pay back to Red Hat?)
Last year we paid it separately - for Brno guys I paid it together, Jared paid for Fedora sponsored people and there were few individuals too (or smaller Red Hat teams, not sure right now ;-).
I would prefer if it could be paid by RH and then individuals to reimburse back RH, or our NPO could be the buffer, as our hotel would like to be paid with only two payment (first to confirm the reservation and then to paid the whole part a month before) Should I see with Robyn, as the FPL is managing budget?
It can be quite difficult for us to do cross department payments but if hotel insist on a one big payment, I think we can deal with it.
So we discussed this a bit last week in the EMEA Ambassador meeting, but just to follow up here:
It's a lot easier to have the ability to have people book their own rooms from a block with our name on it, and then have Red Hat pick up the tab for sponsored rooms onsite (including having multiple departments pick up their portion - ie. folks sponsored vs. Brno Attendees can be paid for separately).
Yep, it would be much much easier to be able to deal with payment separately. As we can expect a few individual groups (even Brno folks will form several independent groups with different budget etc. - Fedora QA, Base OS, docs guys, some cloud guys).
With Jiri, we are trying to get a final number for this hotel. I think we should set some deadline for room blocking (it's really the only way to push some people to action :-).
What we normally do is work with the hotel to come up with a final number of rooms for a block, and we put a credit card down for that, and if individuals don't utilize the number of rooms then we pay some % portion of the difference.
Are they really unwilling to hold a block of rooms until a certain date, and are they also unwilling to do anything other than "we must book and pay for the full block of rooms" vs. what I outlined above?
I unfortunately missed the end of EMEA meeting (and was waiting for this topic but you know - bug blocking F17 ;-) - is it really true it's difficult to find affordable rooms in FUDCon time? Otherwise it will be option for us to have a separate one... Even it would cost more...
We can't do a "pay back Red Hat" situation (no way to receive money). I suppose the NPO route is possible but then you'd need to be able to apply some of that money towards FUDCon, and I would suspect you won't see some of that money until FUDCon. Additionally, lots of people do want to use credit cards and not cash for paying for their hotel (receipts for work, etc.) and I suspect the NPO has no way to take credit cards for payment, at least not in any way that would provide something workable for attendees to have as a receipt.
Cash expense for bigger group could be fun (but I expect we can deal with expense report individually but I expect some people will be unwilling to pay the money...).
It will be still great to make it possible, to have all contributors on same place to have more fun.
R.
Thoughts? Kevin, have you spoken with the hotel since last week?
-Robyn
If you know how many your are going to be, I can ask for more twins in our contract, I have asked for 60 people like I was recommended to do, but it would be hard to ask for more in a month.
As I said - not sure how many people will come, with Jiri, we try to get the number right now. Fedora QA will have meeting with theirs boss tmrw, I have to ask Fedora Docs team too (and probably other people will be interested too, but no reply yet...).
R.
How is it linked to the $$$ column on the reservation table?
I could also ask for more rooms, but we won't have so much
time.
We have the EMEA meeting tonight, I am not sure to be able to join, (would be traveling), but if you could bring this question that could help.
I'll try to join it too (it's after Board, so I'll be online).
R.
Thanks,
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On 05/21/2012 05:26 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
----- Original Message -----
On 05/16/2012 08:32 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
----- Original Message -----
[snip]
We have a deal with an hotel, for 30 twins and 3 nights: A twin at 81€ (exclusive of taxes) per night.
And the tax is?
+19.6%
I've asked famsco to describe me how to manage rooms reservation/fees with regard to the contributors, but they just asked me back for precisions. I haven't given precise question yet.
Which is: How to manage this hotel reservation:
- Do I have to assign a room for all that asked for?
I expect we should prefer sponsored/rh people but we should not deny individual contributors to have this rate if there's room.
- Who is going to pay, Red Hat for all or one contributor could
pay by itself but with our special rates (pay back to Red Hat?)
Last year we paid it separately - for Brno guys I paid it together, Jared paid for Fedora sponsored people and there were few individuals too (or smaller Red Hat teams, not sure right now ;-).
I would prefer if it could be paid by RH and then individuals to reimburse back RH, or our NPO could be the buffer, as our hotel would like to be paid with only two payment (first to confirm the reservation and then to paid the whole part a month before) Should I see with Robyn, as the FPL is managing budget?
It can be quite difficult for us to do cross department payments but if hotel insist on a one big payment, I think we can deal with it.
So we discussed this a bit last week in the EMEA Ambassador meeting, but just to follow up here:
It's a lot easier to have the ability to have people book their own rooms from a block with our name on it, and then have Red Hat pick up the tab for sponsored rooms onsite (including having multiple departments pick up their portion - ie. folks sponsored vs. Brno Attendees can be paid for separately).
Yep, it would be much much easier to be able to deal with payment separately. As we can expect a few individual groups (even Brno folks will form several independent groups with different budget etc. - Fedora QA, Base OS, docs guys, some cloud guys).
With Jiri, we are trying to get a final number for this hotel. I think we should set some deadline for room blocking (it's really the only way to push some people to action :-).
What we normally do is work with the hotel to come up with a final number of rooms for a block, and we put a credit card down for that, and if individuals don't utilize the number of rooms then we pay some % portion of the difference.
Are they really unwilling to hold a block of rooms until a certain date, and are they also unwilling to do anything other than "we must book and pay for the full block of rooms" vs. what I outlined above?
I unfortunately missed the end of EMEA meeting (and was waiting for this topic but you know - bug blocking F17 ;-) - is it really true it's difficult to find affordable rooms in FUDCon time? Otherwise it will be option for us to have a separate one... Even it would cost more...
It's Paris, and OWF is at the same time - I suspect it's not easy, but I can't imagine it's impossible, either.
Do we know if the OWF folks have any hotel block arrangements anywhere that we could mayyyyybe utilize/share?
We can't do a "pay back Red Hat" situation (no way to receive money). I suppose the NPO route is possible but then you'd need to be able to apply some of that money towards FUDCon, and I would suspect you won't see some of that money until FUDCon. Additionally, lots of people do want to use credit cards and not cash for paying for their hotel (receipts for work, etc.) and I suspect the NPO has no way to take credit cards for payment, at least not in any way that would provide something workable for attendees to have as a receipt.
Cash expense for bigger group could be fun (but I expect we can deal with expense report individually but I expect some people will be unwilling to pay the money...).
It will be still great to make it possible, to have all contributors on same place to have more fun.
R.
Thoughts? Kevin, have you spoken with the hotel since last week?
-Robyn
If you know how many your are going to be, I can ask for more twins in our contract, I have asked for 60 people like I was recommended to do, but it would be hard to ask for more in a month.
As I said - not sure how many people will come, with Jiri, we try to get the number right now. Fedora QA will have meeting with theirs boss tmrw, I have to ask Fedora Docs team too (and probably other people will be interested too, but no reply yet...).
R.
How is it linked to the $$$ column on the reservation table?
I could also ask for more rooms, but we won't have so much
time.
We have the EMEA meeting tonight, I am not sure to be able to join, (would be traveling), but if you could bring this question that could help.
I'll try to join it too (it's after Board, so I'll be online).
R.
Thanks,
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It's Paris, and OWF is at the same time - I suspect it's not easy, but I can't imagine it's impossible, either.
Oh, there are *many* events in September/October in Paris, it's not only with the OWF.
Do we know if the OWF folks have any hotel block arrangements anywhere that we could mayyyyybe utilize/share?
As Emmanuel said, we will get back to you soon, after the conf call.
In fact the hotel block is more about keeping room free than having cheaper prices. They will rise this summer. But you could actually book at the same price, by yourself. (If I read correctly ^^).
Emmanuel, Jaroslav, do you guys think that we can just provide the hotel website, giving some information? I will ask the hotel in order to know how many rooms they have at the right (low) price…
* Robyn Bergeron [21/05/2012 14:55] :
Are they really unwilling to hold a block of rooms until a certain date, and are they also unwilling to do anything other than "we must book and pay for the full block of rooms" vs. what I outlined above?
I called the hotel tonight and it seems to be too difficult to do anything but pay for the full block in one or two passes.
Emmanuel
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