Bid for FUDCon EMEA 2011

[Fabian Affolter]

Hi all,

The bid process for FUDCon EMEA was opened a while ago and so far there
are no bids for EMEA. During our ride home from FOSDEM Gerold and I
started to think and talk about the FUDCon EMEA 2011 and this bid. Now
we sorted your own thoughts and placed a bid for Dublin [1].

Actually this bid violates some rules/purposes of the FUDCon Bid process
[2]. That's the reason why the bid page is not complete at this point in
time. We do not want to spent to much time in evaluating things till we
all can agree/disagree that this unusual bid has a chance.

Why is Dublin suggested by two guys who live far away from Ireland you
may ask yourself? Because the Red Hat Partner Summit 2011 [3] will be at
Dublin. And we want to held the FUDCon right before Red Hat Partner
Summit. Gerold and I see some advantages if the Red Hat Partner Summit
and the FUDCon are close together.

So, FUDCon will be organized by Red Hat? Not at all, we think more of
cooperation to share resources/costs for those two important events in
the Red Hat/Fedora ecosystem in EMEA.

We would like to hear your thoughts and objections about this. Thanks in
advance.

Kind regards,

Fabian

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Dublin_2011
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process
[3] http://www.europe.redhat.com/mktg/partnersummit/2011/

[Dennis Gilmore]

On Thursday, February 24, 2011 02:04:54 pm Fabian Affolter wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The bid process for FUDCon EMEA was opened a while ago and so far there
> are no bids for EMEA. During our ride home from FOSDEM Gerold and I
> started to think and talk about the FUDCon EMEA 2011 and this bid. Now
> we sorted your own thoughts and placed a bid for Dublin [1].
>
> Actually this bid violates some rules/purposes of the FUDCon Bid process
> [2]. That's the reason why the bid page is not complete at this point in
> time. We do not want to spent to much time in evaluating things till we
> all can agree/disagree that this unusual bid has a chance.
>
> Why is Dublin suggested by two guys who live far away from Ireland you
> may ask yourself? Because the Red Hat Partner Summit 2011 [3] will be at
> Dublin. And we want to held the FUDCon right before Red Hat Partner
> Summit. Gerold and I see some advantages if the Red Hat Partner Summit
> and the FUDCon are close together.
>
> So, FUDCon will be organized by Red Hat? Not at all, we think more of
> cooperation to share resources/costs for those two important events in
> the Red Hat/Fedora ecosystem in EMEA.
>
> We would like to hear your thoughts and objections about this. Thanks in
> advance.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Fabian
>
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Dublin_2011
> [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process
> [3] http://www.europe.redhat.com/mktg/partnersummit/2011/

My main concern would be getting it all pulled together and planned in 3 
months when normally its 9 months

Dennis

[Gerold]

Am Donnerstag, den 24.02.2011, 14:30 -0600 schrieb Dennis Gilmore:
> On Thursday, February 24, 2011 02:04:54 pm Fabian Affolter wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The bid process for FUDCon EMEA was opened a while ago and so far there
> > are no bids for EMEA. During our ride home from FOSDEM Gerold and I
> > started to think and talk about the FUDCon EMEA 2011 and this bid. Now
> > we sorted your own thoughts and placed a bid for Dublin [1].
> >
> > Actually this bid violates some rules/purposes of the FUDCon Bid process
> > [2]. That's the reason why the bid page is not complete at this point in
> > time. We do not want to spent to much time in evaluating things till we
> > all can agree/disagree that this unusual bid has a chance.
> >
> > Why is Dublin suggested by two guys who live far away from Ireland you
> > may ask yourself? Because the Red Hat Partner Summit 2011 [3] will be at
> > Dublin. And we want to held the FUDCon right before Red Hat Partner
> > Summit. Gerold and I see some advantages if the Red Hat Partner Summit
> > and the FUDCon are close together.
> >
> > So, FUDCon will be organized by Red Hat? Not at all, we think more of
> > cooperation to share resources/costs for those two important events in
> > the Red Hat/Fedora ecosystem in EMEA.
> >
> > We would like to hear your thoughts and objections about this. Thanks in
> > advance.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Fabian
> >
> > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Dublin_2011
> > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process
> > [3] http://www.europe.redhat.com/mktg/partnersummit/2011/
>
> My main concern would be getting it all pulled together and planned in 3 
> months when normally its 9 months
>
> Dennis

Hi Dennia and all other,
I organised together with Max (who was the "event-owner" FUDCON EMEA
2007 beside Linuxtag. I can imagine how much work must be done. As
Fabian mentioned, there are some reasons which could make it happen OR
even not. At least we need yout opinion to step in very fast. Red Hat
organised still Hotel for a bunch of persons, organised a location, the
employees (in EMEA) know when and where it happen ...
So the benefit, from having them ALSO at FUDCon could be awsome (not
only while some Red Hat Sales guys think, we're the "Fan Club of Red
Hat") ..
So we also want to have max's and jared's statement about that idea and
maybe Jan Wildeboeur could make his more or less promise happen that he
will get the goal that the Red Hat CEO will give a talk in the
Community.

He will get the floor!

All the best

Gerold

[Gerold]

Am Donnerstag, den 24.02.2011, 22:15 +0100 schrieb Gerold Kassube:
> Am Donnerstag, den 24.02.2011, 14:30 -0600 schrieb Dennis Gilmore:
> > On Thursday, February 24, 2011 02:04:54 pm Fabian Affolter wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > The bid process for FUDCon EMEA was opened a while ago and so far there
> > > are no bids for EMEA. During our ride home from FOSDEM Gerold and I
> > > started to think and talk about the FUDCon EMEA 2011 and this bid. Now
> > > we sorted your own thoughts and placed a bid for Dublin [1].
> > >
> > > Actually this bid violates some rules/purposes of the FUDCon Bid process
> > > [2]. That's the reason why the bid page is not complete at this point in
> > > time. We do not want to spent to much time in evaluating things till we
> > > all can agree/disagree that this unusual bid has a chance.
> > >
> > > Why is Dublin suggested by two guys who live far away from Ireland you
> > > may ask yourself? Because the Red Hat Partner Summit 2011 [3] will be at
> > > Dublin. And we want to held the FUDCon right before Red Hat Partner
> > > Summit. Gerold and I see some advantages if the Red Hat Partner Summit
> > > and the FUDCon are close together.
> > >
> > > So, FUDCon will be organized by Red Hat? Not at all, we think more of
> > > cooperation to share resources/costs for those two important events in
> > > the Red Hat/Fedora ecosystem in EMEA.
> > >
> > > We would like to hear your thoughts and objections about this. Thanks in
> > > advance.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Fabian
> > >
> > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Dublin_2011
> > > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process
> > > [3] http://www.europe.redhat.com/mktg/partnersummit/2011/
> >
> > My main concern would be getting it all pulled together and planned in 3 
> > months when normally its 9 months
> >
> > Dennis
>
> Hi Dennia and all other,
> I organised together with Max (who was the "event-owner" FUDCON EMEA
> 2007 beside Linuxtag. I can imagine how much work must be done. As
> Fabian mentioned, there are some reasons which could make it happen OR
> even not. At least we need yout opinion to step in very fast. Red Hat
> organised still Hotel for a bunch of persons, organised a location, the
> employees (in EMEA) know when and where it happen ...
> So the benefit, from having them ALSO at FUDCon could be awsome (not
> only while some Red Hat Sales guys think, we're the "Fan Club of Red
> Hat") ..
> So we also want to have max's and jared's statement about that idea and
> maybe Jan Wildeboeur could make his more or less promise happen that he
> will get the goal that the Red Hat CEO will give a talk in the
> Community.
>
> He will get the floor!
>
> All the best
>
> Gerold

mmmmh we're still waiting for a sign from either Max and/or Jared to
start some action; or let it definitly be ...

Would someone pleaso so kind ?!

Thanks in advance

Gerold

[Max Spevack]

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Gerold Kassube wrote:
> mmmmh we're still waiting for a sign from either Max and/or Jared to 
> start some action; or let it definitly be ...
>
> Would someone pleaso so kind ?!

I think that both of the bids that exist:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Dublin_2011

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:EMEA_2011_Bid_Budapest

Are really interesting ones, and that they could both be excellent 
choices for a FUDCon, either this year or in the future.

Looking back at the archives for this list, I see that Jared initially 
announced the FUDCon EMEA bids closing on March 15th.  I'd hope that 
perhaps Jared could let this list know what the decision making process 
will be at that point, because if the Dublin bid is chosen, time is 
already quite tight.

And for the sake of transparency -- I've informed Jared that I 
personally don't see any need to be involved in the actual decision 
making.  I see myself as providing assistance in the budget and 
logistics, but I don't see any need to be part of the final decision 
making team for FUDCon locations in different parts of the world.

Once again, I'd like to say that I think both of these bids look great, 
and to offer my sincere thanks to Gerold, Fabian, Joerg, and Zoltan.  I 
know how difficult it is to organize a FUDCon.

--Max

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Max Spevack  wrote:
> I think that both of the bids that exist:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Dublin_2011
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:EMEA_2011_Bid_Budapest
>
> Are really interesting ones, and that they could both be excellent
> choices for a FUDCon, either this year or in the future.

I think they're both really interesting bids as well.  I also keep
hearing rumors that we're going to get a bid for Milan, Italy too.
> Looking back at the archives for this list, I see that Jared initially
> announced the FUDCon EMEA bids closing on March 15th.  I'd hope that
> perhaps Jared could let this list know what the decision making process
> will be at that point, because if the Dublin bid is chosen, time is
> already quite tight.

My idea was to involve the European ambassadors and FAMSCo in the
decision-making process, as they're the ones most directly involved in
the decision.  For FUDCon LATAM, the community came together and
agreed on Panama, so I didn't have to do much decision-making from my
side.

And yes, I'm aware that if we decide on Dublin, then we'll be very
short on time.

--
Jared Smith
Fedora Project Leader

[Joerg Simon]

On 03/09/2011 09:43 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> My idea was to involve the European ambassadors and FAMSCo in the
> decision-making process, as they're the ones most directly involved in
> the decision.

+1
> For FUDCon LATAM, the community came together and
> agreed on Panama, so I didn't have to do much decision-making from my
> side.

For the last FUDCon LATAM  (for Panama) the FPL(Jared) handed the
decission-making, over to FAmSCo as the accountable instance.

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-November/000401.html

And i think it was a good and transparent process where the Bid Owners
were involved and where we also tried to establish some facts that can
help to make the decission understandable.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?hl=de&key=tJN3ZgmqZ07GujYrcvUz-LQ&am...

Who will be accountable owner of the next (FUDCon EMEA) Decission and
has to take the action-items, scheduling ... that are necessary to
invite the parties involved and make the decission? ;)

CU Joerg

[Sandro "red" Mathys]

On 03/09/2011 09:43 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> My idea was to involve the European ambassadors and FAMSCo in the
> decision-making process, as they're the ones most directly involved in
> the decision.  For FUDCon LATAM, the community came together and
> agreed on Panama, so I didn't have to do much decision-making from my
> side.

I'd suggest while FAmSCo might represent the users (i.e. the U in 
FUDCon), FESCo should also be involved to represent the developers (the D).

-- red

[Igor Pires Soares]

Em Sex, 2011-03-11 às 13:44 +0100, Sandro "red" Mathys escreveu:
> On 03/09/2011 09:43 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> > My idea was to involve the European ambassadors and FAMSCo in the
> > decision-making process, as they're the ones most directly involved in
> > the decision.  For FUDCon LATAM, the community came together and
> > agreed on Panama, so I didn't have to do much decision-making from my
> > side.
>
> I'd suggest while FAmSCo might represent the users (i.e. the U in 
> FUDCon), FESCo should also be involved to represent the developers (the D).

I second that.
Although I don't think that FAmSCo is exactly user's representatives I
do believe that having at least a FESCo member in the decision-making
process is a good idea. The developer's view is something I missed when
the decision for the next FUDCon LATAM was made. Certainly the opinions
from FESCo members should be heard.

Regards,