7:25 p.m.
All,
While you guys were at dinner, I took a chance to step back from
everything and try to look at the big picture. I'm really impressed
with the amount we've achieved so far at this FAD.
I'm really sorry about the weather screwing up our opportunity to have
another good social event tonight, but appreciate everyone gutting it
out and making the best of the situation.
Great stuff, everyone. I love Fedora.
--Max
********************
I've taken a look at most of the active threads and pages that we worked
on today, and tried to assess current status and remaining TODOS.
==
[[Premier Fedora Events]] -- has most of the content it needs. Could do
a better job of really making sure that we drive people who care about
anything more than the schedule of what's upcoming to [[FUDCon]] and
[[FAD]].
The rest of the page serves its purpose, which is to provide the
calendar for all FUDCons and FADs that are upcoming, or that need to be
scheduled.
===
[[FAD]] -- I think this page is in good shape.
[[FUDCon Planning FAD]] -- A good idea. The closest thing we've ever
had to this was https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Rheinfelden
==
[[FUDCon]] -- I'm happy with the current state of this page.
==
[[FUDCon design]] needs to be merged into [[FUDCon:Organization]],
replacing what is now deprecated, and then eventually redirected to
[[FUDCon:Organization]]. We should also include a link off to [[FUDCon
Planning FAD]] in the new contents.
There is a fudcon-howto doc in gobby that may or may not have already
been turned into [[FUDCon design]]. If that gobby doc is no longer
needed, we should remove it.
==
[[FUDCon_and_FAD_locations]] will eventually be obsoleted by a [[FUDCon
bid process]] page, and redirect to it. Probably will rename
[[FUDcon_location_proposal_policy]] into [[FUDCon bid process]].
This page is still being hacked on in gobby.
==
[[Sponsoring_event_attendees]] -- this page is superb, and needs to be
linked to from [[Events]] and from somewhere in [[FAMSCO]], as well as
the FUDCon organization pages.
==
Remaining TODOs:
* Work with Rodrigo on Sunday about LATAM (Max, Mel, Dennis?). This is
really happening at 8 AM? Good grief.
* Wait for feedback from India about FUDCon (Max already reached out).
* Keep working on the bid process (David, Max).
* Generally update and clean up the following: (Mel)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010_Action_Items
The goal of this item is so that people who want to look at the results
of the FAD can see a properly cleaned up page that shows them (a) what
we did, and (b) points them off in the directions of the wiki pages that
we touched, etc. We just want to make sure we've tied up loose ends,
and properly documented the FADs achievement as well as what needs to be
done post-FAD.
* Are there any survey todos? If so, what are they, where are they
captured, and who owns them?
* Figure out how folks are getting home.
* Break off the FUDCon Live TODOs and such into its own space so that it
can have a plan and life beyond this FAD.
9:30 p.m.
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com> wrote:
All,
While you guys were at dinner, I took a chance to step back from
everything and try to look at the big picture. I'm really impressed
with the amount we've achieved so far at this FAD.
I'm really sorry about the weather screwing up our opportunity to have
another good social event tonight, but appreciate everyone gutting it
out and making the best of the situation.
Great stuff, everyone. I love Fedora.
Thanks for being our eye in the sky.
I've taken a look at most of the active threads and pages that we
worked
on today, and tried to assess current status and remaining TODOS.
==
[[Premier Fedora Events]] -- has most of the content it needs. Could do
a better job of really making sure that we drive people who care about
anything more than the schedule of what's upcoming to [[FUDCon]] and
[[FAD]].
Took a shot at this, check the page.
The rest of the page serves its purpose, which is to provide the
calendar for all FUDCons and FADs that are upcoming, or that need to be
scheduled.
===
[[FAD]] -- I think this page is in good shape.
[[FUDCon Planning FAD]] -- A good idea. The closest thing we've ever
had to this was https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Rheinfelden
==
[[FUDCon]] -- I'm happy with the current state of this page.
==
[[FUDCon design]] needs to be merged into [[FUDCon:Organization]],
replacing what is now deprecated, and then eventually redirected to
[[FUDCon:Organization]]. We should also include a link off to [[FUDCon
Planning FAD]] in the new contents.
There is a fudcon-howto doc in gobby that may or may not have already
been turned into [[FUDCon design]]. If that gobby doc is no longer
needed, we should remove it.
I think that Mel and Chris should be making this part of their plan
for finishing up the HOWTO have a FUDCon task.
[[FUDCon_and_FAD_locations]] will eventually be obsoleted by a
[[FUDCon
bid process]] page, and redirect to it. Probably will rename
[[FUDcon_location_proposal_policy]] into [[FUDCon bid process]].
This page is still being hacked on in gobby.
OK, keep up the great work.
[[Sponsoring_event_attendees]] -- this page is superb, and needs to
be
linked to from [[Events]] and from somewhere in [[FAMSCO]], as well as
the FUDCon organization pages.
I added links from the first two -- the third I think will emerge
automatically, but I will be responsible for making sure that gets
done.
Remaining TODOs:
* Work with Rodrigo on Sunday about LATAM (Max, Mel, Dennis?). This is
really happening at 8 AM? Good grief.
* Wait for feedback from India about FUDCon (Max already reached out).
* Keep working on the bid process (David, Max).
* Generally update and clean up the following: (Mel)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010_Action_Items
The goal of this item is so that people who want to look at the results
of the FAD can see a properly cleaned up page that shows them (a) what
we did, and (b) points them off in the directions of the wiki pages that
we touched, etc. We just want to make sure we've tied up loose ends,
and properly documented the FADs achievement as well as what needs to be
done post-FAD.
* Are there any survey todos? If so, what are they, where are they
captured, and who owns them?
The LimeSurvey app is not yet packaged. I just got a very unpromising
report from David Nalley and Jon Stanley about it -- there are bundled
libraries, but worse, the LimeSurvey devs have apparently altered
(forked?) some of those libraries by changing them. Maybe to fix
problems, and maybe to hack around something. So to get that fixed,
one strategy would be for Fedora to take the position of "ombudsman"
between LimeSurvey devs and the providers of those libs to get them
fixed for a future LS release. It's not a short-term task.
* Figure out how folks are getting home.
Put the bug in people's ears tonight that tomorrow before lunch we'll
need to ascertain the airport and road conditions, and make decisions
about extending hotel stays and then working onward from there.
* Break off the FUDCon Live TODOs and such into its own space so that
it
can have a plan and life beyond this FAD.
Agreed. I want to make sure that this doesn't fall by the wayside just
because we're not sitting in a room together. The Freeseer devs could
use some assistance from our Fedora Pythonistas on a number of topics
and have already reached out for them to help with the aspect of
organizing the code properly.
Paul
12:47 a.m.
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Max Spevack
<mspevack(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> * Are there any survey todos? If so, what are they, where are they
> captured, and who owns them?
Yes, I'd be interested in hearing this as well; I got an email from
Yaakov, Mel cc'd, summarizing that they'd like to do a document
highlighting some of the survey results, a "course of action" based on
feedback, and survey questions for the next FUDCons. I just shot a
mail back saying to let me know a time tomorrow (unless they've
already done it) and I can show up. If there are any other todos,
well, ditto what Max said. :)
The LimeSurvey app is not yet packaged. I just got a very unpromising
report from David Nalley and Jon Stanley about it -- there are bundled
libraries, but worse, the LimeSurvey devs have apparently altered
(forked?) some of those libraries by changing them. Maybe to fix
problems, and maybe to hack around something. So to get that fixed,
one strategy would be for Fedora to take the position of "ombudsman"
between LimeSurvey devs and the providers of those libs to get them
fixed for a future LS release. It's not a short-term task.
I'm going to assume that "not a short-term task" also means "Robyn
should be figuring out an alternate plan for survey-doing before
Marketing FAD" ?
12:17 p.m.
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:47:01PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Paul Frields
<stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> * Are there any survey todos? If so, what are they, where are they
>> captured, and who owns them?
Yes, I'd be interested in hearing this as well; I got an email from
Yaakov, Mel cc'd, summarizing that they'd like to do a document
highlighting some of the survey results, a "course of action" based on
feedback, and survey questions for the next FUDCons. I just shot a
mail back saying to let me know a time tomorrow (unless they've
already done it) and I can show up. If there are any other todos,
well, ditto what Max said. :)
>
> The LimeSurvey app is not yet packaged. I just got a very unpromising
> report from David Nalley and Jon Stanley about it -- there are bundled
> libraries, but worse, the LimeSurvey devs have apparently altered
> (forked?) some of those libraries by changing them. Maybe to fix
> problems, and maybe to hack around something. So to get that fixed,
> one strategy would be for Fedora to take the position of "ombudsman"
> between LimeSurvey devs and the providers of those libs to get them
> fixed for a future LS release. It's not a short-term task.
>
I'm going to assume that "not a short-term task" also means "Robyn
should be figuring out an alternate plan for survey-doing before
Marketing FAD" ?
I think that would be a good pro-active move, if you're willing and
interested in doing that. At the same time, we should document a more
thorough status for the Marketing team, explaining the problem, the
possible solutions, how long those solutions might take, and the
possibility of success.
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1:06 p.m.
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:47:01PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> * Are there any survey todos? If so, what are they, where are they
> >> captured, and who owns them?
>
> Yes, I'd be interested in hearing this as well; I got an email from
> Yaakov, Mel cc'd, summarizing that they'd like to do a document
> highlighting some of the survey results, a "course of action" based on
> feedback, and survey questions for the next FUDCons. I just shot a
> mail back saying to let me know a time tomorrow (unless they've
> already done it) and I can show up. If there are any other todos,
> well, ditto what Max said. :)
>
> >
> > The LimeSurvey app is not yet packaged. I just got a very unpromising
> > report from David Nalley and Jon Stanley about it -- there are bundled
> > libraries, but worse, the LimeSurvey devs have apparently altered
> > (forked?) some of those libraries by changing them. Maybe to fix
> > problems, and maybe to hack around something. So to get that fixed,
> > one strategy would be for Fedora to take the position of "ombudsman"
> > between LimeSurvey devs and the providers of those libs to get them
> > fixed for a future LS release. It's not a short-term task.
> >
>
> I'm going to assume that "not a short-term task" also means
"Robyn
> should be figuring out an alternate plan for survey-doing before
> Marketing FAD" ?
I think that would be a good pro-active move, if you're willing and
interested in doing that. At the same time, we should document a more
thorough status for the Marketing team, explaining the problem, the
possible solutions, how long those solutions might take, and the
possibility of success.
I'm definitely interested in doing that; I'll prep a schedule / plan
and we can discuss at mktg-meeting Tuesday.
In the meantime, if someone wants to take up the documentation of
problem / solution timeline task, I would totally appreciate that. :)
-robyn
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2:09 a.m.
First things first: hotel checkout is at noon, so in the late morning
we're going to check the status of the road and our flights and each
person will decide what they want to do with regards to their departure.
Everyone's listed as flying out within 5 minutes of 6pm, except for
Chris who has a flight at 5.
Regardless of transit status, we'll be winding down the FAD at 2pm and
spending an hour on personal reflections/notes (read: blog posts, etc)
before officially ending at 3. People might be continuing work past
then, but it'll be post-FAD stuff. ;-)
I've taken a look at most of the active threads and pages that we
worked
on today, and tried to assess current status and remaining TODOS.
The group of us remaining had a couple quick discussions, and based on
that, here's what I think people are working on wrapping up for
tomorrow. When multiple names are listed, the first name is Sunday's
whip-cracker for that series of tasks. ;-)
(chris, mel)
* fudcon howto doc completed
(paul, clint, dennis)
* freeseer core packaged
* do something with the front end
* CLI
(clint)
* AVBox
(dennis, max, rodrigo)
* FUDCon LATAM
(jon)
* FAD followup
(yaakov, mel)
* fudcon live survey analysis
* fudcon live doc
(david)
* make sure all docs are finished
Paul, David, and Yaakov had already gone to sleep for the night by the
time we had this conversation, so I want to make sure that this list
jives with theirs. People can (and will!) work outside the things
they're written down for in the above list, but I believe that this is
what each person is aiming for. Corrections, patches, etc. welcome.
--Mel
PS: My own schedule for tomorrow looks like this:
9am: lurk in #fedora-fad to listen to Max, Dennis, and Rodrigo talk as I
gear up for the last day of the FAD.
9:30: finish fudcon howto with Chris.
11:30: fudcon live survey analysis
noon: lunch, check-in with Jon on FAD followup and sprint a little.
1pm: finish fudcon live docs
2pm: reflection/docs time
3pm: FAD ends - make sure everyone has a way to get safely home
...and then I'm sure I'll be continuing to work past that time, we'll
see how things turn out. ;-)
12:25 p.m.
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 03:09:04AM -0500, Mel Chua wrote:
First things first: hotel checkout is at noon, so in the late morning
we're going to check the status of the road and our flights and each
person will decide what they want to do with regards to their departure.
Everyone's listed as flying out within 5 minutes of 6pm, except for
Chris who has a flight at 5.
Regardless of transit status, we'll be winding down the FAD at 2pm and
spending an hour on personal reflections/notes (read: blog posts, etc)
before officially ending at 3. People might be continuing work past
then, but it'll be post-FAD stuff. ;-)
> I've taken a look at most of the active threads and pages that we worked
> on today, and tried to assess current status and remaining TODOS.
The group of us remaining had a couple quick discussions, and based on
that, here's what I think people are working on wrapping up for
tomorrow. When multiple names are listed, the first name is Sunday's
whip-cracker for that series of tasks. ;-)
(chris, mel)
* fudcon howto doc completed
(paul, clint, dennis)
* freeseer core packaged
* do something with the front end
* CLI
This isn't going to be possible to finish today. For good packaging
we probably need to integrate distutils-type setup in the library, and
to do *that* we need better collaboration directly in the git branch.
What we've done to advance that status is to work with the maintainers
to get the development branch moved to Fedora Hosted, and open up the
commit access to more people. That should allow us to help shoulder
the work of scrubbing and arranging code in a truly collaborative
effort.
Once we have a setup that works, the packaging will be able to pass
muster in Fedora.
(clint)
* AVBox
(dennis, max, rodrigo)
* FUDCon LATAM
(jon)
* FAD followup
(yaakov, mel)
* fudcon live survey analysis
* fudcon live doc
(david)
* make sure all docs are finished
Paul, David, and Yaakov had already gone to sleep for the night by the
time we had this conversation, so I want to make sure that this list
jives with theirs. People can (and will!) work outside the things
they're written down for in the above list, but I believe that this is
what each person is aiming for. Corrections, patches, etc. welcome.
I have a .spec file ready for freeseer, but it won't technically work
until we complete the underlying distutils work. Spent a little while
on that. I spent some time discussing git details with Thanh on
line. I spent some time fixing a bug that was revealed by our Fedora
Hosted conversation, which is that FH isn't listed on Wikipedia:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/infrastructure/2010-January/0083...
I also did some meta/org work filling in the time cracks, like talking
with Max, checking road conditions, and arranging the drive home.
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