9:11 a.m.
#79: Abusive behavior by operator
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Reporter: jjzh | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 15
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Keywords: |
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[ ] Negative
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My IRC nick is: czx
Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this
ticket: An operator was trolling me and threatening me when I asked him to
stop.
Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:
Southern_Gentlem
Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
this feedback: Inform moderators that trolling is not acceptable, and that
support channel is not their private shop.
Any additional notes or logs: That one of his trolling remarks:
<Southern_Gentlem> that will cause your problem of long boot right there
because it is trying to debug everything as it boots
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9:15 a.m.
#79: Abusive behavior by operator
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Reporter: jjzh | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: closed
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 15
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Resolution: invalid | Keywords:
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Changes (by bjensen):
* status: new => closed
* resolution: => invalid
Comment:
User does not like the answers provided so they resort to throwing around
the word "troll" and being generally abusive. Kick and ban them, get it
over with.
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10:30 a.m.
#79: Abusive behavior by operator
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Reporter: jjzh | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: closed
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 15
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Resolution: invalid | Keywords:
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Comment (by khaytsus):
Complete logs minus part/joins of other users, in case it's useful to
anyone...
--- Day changed Wed Oct 26 2011
[...]
09:38 [A] --> czx [~qwerty(a)l49-18-203.cn.ru] #fedora
09:39 czx | your pedora OS takes an year to start, suddently
09:40 czx | 155 seconds to boot!!
09:40 DiscordianU | czk: what
09:40 kc8hfi | czx: what is your question?
09:40 DiscordianU | Heaven alone knows what pedora iw
09:40 DiscordianU | is
09:41 czx | my question is why pedora 15 takes one hundred and
fiftyfive seconds to boot
09:41 DiscordianU | Right
09:41 DiscordianU | leave now
09:42 DiscordianU | or stop trolling czk
09:42 czx | DiscordianUK, what?
09:42 Southern_Ge | what is pedora
09:42 DiscordianU | It's Fedora not Pedora fool
09:43 DiscordianU | uname -a please cvz
09:43 DiscordianU | uname -a please cvx
09:43 czx | 2.6.40.6-0.fc15.x86_64
09:43 Southern_Ge | -r
09:43 Southern_Ge | czx, fpaste --sysinfo please
09:44 DiscordianU | okay 155 seconds ain't much
09:44 Southern_Ge | DiscordianUK, close to 3 minutes
09:44 Southern_Ge | i havent had a box take that long in along time
09:45 DiscordianU | the fpaste will show what's enabled
09:45 Southern_Ge | i am hoping
09:45 DiscordianU | Else we'll need a systemd-analyse
09:46 czx | http://fpaste.org/tEbW/
09:48 DiscordianU | I see non-core repos
09:48 Southern_Ge | DiscordianUK, well there is one thing is he has
every debug repo enabled
09:48 Hawkwind | I remember back in the day when 155 seconds was a
quick boot :)
09:49 DiscordianU | I do too
09:49 Southern_Ge | czx, why do you have all the debug repos enabled
09:50 czx | Southern_Gentlem, for debug symbols
09:50 Southern_Ge | that will cause your problem of long boot right there
because it is trying to debug everything as it boots
09:51 czx | Southern_Gentlem, are you high?
09:51 Southern_Ge | czx, no but you are trolling
09:51 Southern_Ge | @quiet czx
09:51 [A] mode/#fedora <+q czx!*@*> by fedbot
09:51 @ fedbot | czx, You have been quieted in this channel
temporarily. Please read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Channel_FAQ
and consider changing your approach and/or the behavior that is disrupting
the channel. If you feel this action was in error, please file a ticket at
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/
09:51 [A] mode/#fedora <-q czx!*@*> by fedbot
09:51 DiscordianU | +1 Southern_Gentlem
09:52 czx | !ops
09:52 DiscordianU | I'd just leave czx
09:53 Southern_Ge | czx, your problems are all PEBCAKS of your own
device
09:53 DiscordianU | else you'll get banned
09:53 corn_man | I think his goal is to get banned.
09:54 czx | I think somebody abuses his operator rights
09:54 DiscordianU | No
09:55 DiscordianU | But I can oblige if you ask nicely
09:55 DiscordianU | why do you insist on saying Pedora
09:55 Southern_Ge | DiscordianUK, stop feeding the troll
09:56 Southern_Ge | ALL DO NOT Feed the Vampires see
http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ and
http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
09:58 Southern_Ge | @feedback czx
09:58 Southern_Ge | czx, but also be aware we have the same logs
09:59 l1x | czx: 155 sec is cool
09:59 l1x | what is your problem?
10:01 czx | l1x, 155 to boot a desktop is not 'cool', that's
rificulous
10:02 Southern_Ge | l1x, he comes in trolling calling names, he has
every debug repo enabled and wonders why his machine is slow
10:02 l1x | yeah my windows is booting in seconds, this might be
the reason i use windows on desktops :D
10:02 l1x | anyway, i wouldnt be suprised if the problem is at
your end
10:02 czx | Southern_Gentlem, you may refresh your knowledge
about what debug repo is and how it is used
10:02 caravel | hi folks : maybe there is some "pedora" out there in
russion, some time ago there were a "Tedora" for sure
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Russian_Fedora_Remix just
fyi
10:03 caravel | russia*
10:03 Southern_Ge | czx, only for troubleshooting
10:03 l1x | czx: wo/ having a detailed report on your boot
process your comments are just trolling :)
10:03 Southern_Ge | caravel, pedora is a raceist comment in russian for
homosexual
10:04 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: oh, I see :D that deserves a ban
for sure :)
10:04 l1x | heh, i knew i will learn something useful here
today! :)
10:04 Southern_Ge | caravel, it starts out that way and continues then
when called on it wants to act smug
10:05 czx | l1x, do you want dmesg?
10:05 l1x | not at all
10:05 l1x | czx: give me detailed boot logs
10:05 l1x | why would anybody want your dmesg?! :)
10:05 l1x | dude, are you totally noob?
10:06 EvilBob | I already said my bit about this twit.
10:07 EvilBob | OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
10:07 caravel | I'm interesting in understand the relation between
enabling a debug repo and getting it used while booting (?)
10:08 caravel | interested*
10:08 kc8hfi | caravel: y9our question was answered earlier.
<Southern_Gentlem> that will cause your problem of long boot right there
because it is trying to debug everything as it boots
10:08 czx | caravel, he's trolling and is being reported right
now
10:10 khrm | czx cat /var/log/boot.log | fpaste
10:10 Southern_Ge | czx, i have been here way tooo long and people know
i dont troll
10:10 EvilBob | Oh goody, another ticket for me to close as "user is
a blow hole, should have been aborted post postpartum"
10:11 caravel | kc8hfi: thanks, I did read that comment, but that was
never my understanding that just installing a debug package/repo would
automatically use them.
10:11 caravel | I am still a newbie on ths side, hence my question of
course: so is it really automatic, no flag required on kernel line in grub
?
10:11 Southern_Ge | EvilBob, same user actually
10:11 EvilBob | Southern_Gentlem: I am aware
10:11 Southern_Ge | caravel, kernel flag for what
10:12 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: to trigger the debug while booting
10:12 Southern_Ge | caravel, do you have f15 installed
10:12 EvilBob | Here we go boys and girls https://fedorahosted.org
/irc-support-sig/ticket/79
10:12 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: no, still on F14 myself
10:12 Southern_Ge | caravel, build a VM and put f15 in it
10:13 Southern_Ge | what is your boot time
10:13 EvilBob | and here is their other ticket
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/78
10:13 Southern_Ge | yum update and then enavbles all debug repos and yum
update again and check the boottime
10:13 czx | khrm, /var/log/boot.log is empty
10:13 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: I'll upgrade soon -- natively, my
boot time is fine here nothing to complain about (and my debug repo were
never enabled, only on demand with --enablerepo)
10:14 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: ok, I trust you. interesting, would
never have expected that
10:15 caravel | hence I can understand czx question, asking "are you
high ?" was clearly disrespectful anyway :D
10:15 * caravel will shut up now, sorry to take the space, thanks
Southern_Gentlem
10:17 kc8hfi | EvilBob: nip it in the bud! thats what you're
really sayin in that ticket
10:18 EvilBob | kc8hfi: I'll stand behind my opinion that it should
have been aborted post postpartum
10:20 czx | now, any ideas why my system takes 155 seconds to
boot? it was significantly faster soon after install
10:21 khrm | Without log no can help. Are you currently on fed?
10:22 DiscordianU | He's been answered
10:23 czx | khrm, I told you the log you asked for is empty
10:33 [A] *-- czx has quit (Remote host closed the connection) #fedora
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#79: Abusive behavior by operator
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Reporter: jjzh | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: closed
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 15
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Resolution: invalid | Keywords:
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Comment (by kevin):
Just a few comments from me:
a) "Trolling" is an overused word and doesn't seem to apply at all here.
"an internet term for a person who, through willful action, attempts to
disrupt a community or garner attention and controversy through
provocative messages"
b) On one side I would suggest approaching the channel with an open mind
and simply ask for information on how to solve the problem at hand. Avoid
terms like "this is broken" or "fix this now", try "how can I
find out
more information about...". On the other side, I would suggest people try
and avoid leaping to conclusions about someone based on past behavior. Try
and see what they are doing at the time, not that you dislike them.
c) If you find IRC presents language barriers, try a lang specific
channel? Perhaps #fedora-russian? Or you may consider mailing lists of
forums if you don't like the support in irc.
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4:45 p.m.
It's really not. Ever.
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 17:40, Clive Hills <discordianuk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
He repeatedly said pedora.
Respect is something that needs to be earned.
Clive
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12:21 p.m.
#79: Abusive behavior by operator
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Reporter: jjzh | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: reopened
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 15
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Resolution: | Keywords:
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Changes (by jbwillia):
* status: closed => reopened
* resolution: invalid =>
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#79: Abusive behavior by operator
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Reporter: jjzh | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: closed
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 15
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Resolution: fixed | Keywords:
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Changes (by jbwillia):
* status: reopened => closed
* resolution: => fixed
Comment:
no evidence, but thanks for the feedback
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5:21 p.m.
This ticket really should be re-opened and the logs of the event posted.
Several people making additions to the ticket were present, and I'm sure
there's no reason that none of them posted what happened ;)
Out of curiosity, when IS the last time an abuse ticket was closed in
judgment at fault of one of the 4 or 5 people that all these abuse tickets
seem to be directed at (such as this one)? I'm sure it's happened and I'm
sure the ticket arbiter in those cases said that the behavior wasn't
sanctioned by Fedora community at large, but I just can't think of when
that would be.
It's not even a question as to whether this process is ineffective, but
more of a question as to what needs to change in the process to actually
deal with the abusive behaviors. The option chosen was to ignore it in the
case of this ticket, and then again when I noticed it and pointed it out in
this thread. Certainly not the first time.
It was inaccurately portrayed in this thread (for the purpose of creating
documentation) that this was an isolated (or even infrequent) event.
I shut down SILO, an organization offering 3rd party abuse mediation,
several months ago by request of a couple authority figures in this
community so that they could handle the problems (that they are aware of)
internally. It doesn't seem to be getting handled internally, and there
doesn't seem to be a desire by people in their current positions to handle
them. I mean you guys aren't even trying to give off that impression.
It is for that reason that I'm seriously considering restarting SILO in
full throttle at the absolute very next instance of unhandled abuse that I
witness (or is reported to me) and please be assured that if that happens
SILO will not be cooperating with requests similar to the one that
initially convinced me to let Fedora handle the problem internally. It
will definitely be a dealbreaker if I see this again.
Please start handling this problem internally, with demonstrated actions
and sanctions, or I will be creating the mechanism by which that will be
done in the future without your input.
Most Assuredly,
Chris Punches
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 13:21, irc-support-sig <trac(a)fedorahosted.org>wrote:
#79: Abusive behavior by operator
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Reporter: jjzh | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: closed
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 15
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Resolution: fixed | Keywords:
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Changes (by jbwillia):
* status: reopened => closed
* resolution: => fixed
Comment:
no evidence, but thanks for the feedback
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5:33 p.m.
*I misspoke: That first paragraph is referring to the logs being posted at
a board meeting in this context. Sorry if that caused any confusion.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 18:21, Chris Punches <punches.chris(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This ticket really should be re-opened and the logs of the event
posted.
Several people making additions to the ticket were present, and I'm sure
there's no reason that none of them posted what happened ;)
Out of curiosity, when IS the last time an abuse ticket was closed in
judgment at fault of one of the 4 or 5 people that all these abuse tickets
seem to be directed at (such as this one)? I'm sure it's happened and I'm
sure the ticket arbiter in those cases said that the behavior wasn't
sanctioned by Fedora community at large, but I just can't think of when
that would be.
It's not even a question as to whether this process is ineffective, but
more of a question as to what needs to change in the process to actually
deal with the abusive behaviors. The option chosen was to ignore it in the
case of this ticket, and then again when I noticed it and pointed it out in
this thread. Certainly not the first time.
It was inaccurately portrayed in this thread (for the purpose of creating
documentation) that this was an isolated (or even infrequent) event.
I shut down SILO, an organization offering 3rd party abuse mediation,
several months ago by request of a couple authority figures in this
community so that they could handle the problems (that they are aware of)
internally. It doesn't seem to be getting handled internally, and there
doesn't seem to be a desire by people in their current positions to handle
them. I mean you guys aren't even trying to give off that impression.
It is for that reason that I'm seriously considering restarting SILO in
full throttle at the absolute very next instance of unhandled abuse that I
witness (or is reported to me) and please be assured that if that happens
SILO will not be cooperating with requests similar to the one that
initially convinced me to let Fedora handle the problem internally. It
will definitely be a dealbreaker if I see this again.
Please start handling this problem internally, with demonstrated actions
and sanctions, or I will be creating the mechanism by which that will be
done in the future without your input.
Most Assuredly,
Chris Punches
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 13:21, irc-support-sig <trac(a)fedorahosted.org>wrote:
> #79: Abusive behavior by operator
>
> -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------
> Reporter: jjzh | Owner:
> Type: feedback | Status: closed
> Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 15
> Version: | Severity: Neutral
> Resolution: fixed | Keywords:
>
> -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------
> Changes (by jbwillia):
>
> * status: reopened => closed
> * resolution: => fixed
>
> Comment:
>
> no evidence, but thanks for the feedback
>
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6:57 p.m.
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:21:31 -0500
Chris Punches <punches.chris(a)gmail.com> wrote:
...snip...
I don't know that I am going to reply to you again moving forward, but
I would like to re-iterate that you should consider positive ways to
contribute to the project. There are lots of them.
Your negative energy and threats are unfortunate and sad.
Additionally, I am not going to approve any more posts of yours to this
list. If you wish to post, please subscribe like anyone else.
Thanks and good day.
kevin
10:12 p.m.
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I agree with Kevin.
Chris, if you really want to solve this issue, talk to Bob
individually in a calm and focused manner, be prepared to accept some
of the blame for the level this has gotten to and you make find a
resolution and be able to move on. The amount of negative energy
you've put into this is a real waste and simply "noise" here.
On 11/08/2011 04:57 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:21:31 -0500 Chris Punches
<punches.chris(a)gmail.com> wrote:
...snip...
I don't know that I am going to reply to you again moving forward,
but I would like to re-iterate that you should consider positive
ways to contribute to the project. There are lots of them.
Your negative energy and threats are unfortunate and sad.
Additionally, I am not going to approve any more posts of yours to
this list. If you wish to post, please subscribe like anyone else.
Thanks and good day.
kevin
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