On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis fedora@leemhuis.info wrote:
Lo!
On 06.09.2013 20:35, Justin M. Forbes wrote:
- open floor (jforbes, 18:27:26)
- F20 should remain on 3.11.x until release (jforbes, 18:28:40)
Just wondering: Is that really wise? The devel cycles for 3.4, 3.5, 3.10 and 3.11 took 9 weeks; 3.6 up to 3.9 all took round about ten weeks. Which makes it pretty likely that 3.12 gets released round about on 4. or the 11. of November. Yes, that's pretty close to the release of F20
phb-crystal-ball.org agrees with you, they say the 8th.
(Final Change Deadline is 2013-11-12 currently). But isn't including and testing 3.12-rc soon in F20-pre better than shipping it as update for F19 and F20 just a week or two after F20 got released? The latter seems likely and then the 3.12 package then gets only tested in updates-testing.
We're really in a tough spot all around with this release. Alpha change deadline is passed and there's no way I'm going to do Alpha on a merge window kernel anyway. That means if we switch to a 3.12-rcX in F20 after Alpha, it negates any and all testing they've done with Alpha. Beta would ship with a mid-rcX release, which we've done before. However, it's conference season and there's no guarantee 3.12 final ships in time.
It's really a tough call. There's not really a perfect answer here. As usual, we hope and encourage people are testing rawhide.
josh