Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes :: 2012-05-11
by Robyn Bergeron
Happy friday. Thanks for coming! :)
-robyn
Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes
2012-05-11
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-11/cloud_sig.2012...
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-11/cloud_sig.2012...
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#fedora-meeting: Cloud SIG
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Meeting started by rbergeron at 19:00:40 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-11/cloud_sig.2012...
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Meeting summary
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* HULLO, MAH CLOUDIES (rbergeron, 19:00:57)
* present: rbergeron agrimm gholms sdake gregdek jsmith rackerhacker
tdawson (rbergeron, 19:01:36)
* OpenShift Origin (rbergeron, 19:02:41)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenShift_Origin (tdawson,
19:03:43)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenShift_Origin
(tdawson, 19:03:51)
* We have a wiki page *AND* a feature page for F18 for OpenShift
Origin. (rbergeron, 19:04:08)
* Lots of packages - everything is in github, including rpm specs, so
it is possible for people to grab a package if they'd like.
(rbergeron, 19:08:44)
* ACTION: sdake to help out tdawson with sponsorship, tdawson to mail
sdake (rbergeron, 19:12:05)
* Eucalyptus (rbergeron, 19:18:07)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OVirtPackaging (rbergeron,
19:22:20)
* ACTION: rbergeron to check in with ovirt folks on gwt packaging
(rbergeron, 19:22:54)
* CloudStack (rbergeron, 19:24:23)
* OpenStack (rbergeron, 19:28:15)
* Here a stack, there a stack, there an open, mooooooooooo
(rbergeron, 19:28:26)
* LINK: http://wiki.openstack.org/PKI (ayoung, 19:30:43)
* Open Floor (rbergeron, 19:42:39)
* glusterFS license has changed! now LGPLv3+ or GPLv2. The idea is to
facilitate people writing translators, which they're actually
starting to do. (rbergeron, 19:48:35)
* Heat project - AWS Cloudformation analog - tldr version is we take a
template and turn it into a running cloud application on openstack
environments (rbergeron, 19:49:29)
* LINK: http://www.heat-api.org (rbergeron, 19:49:40)
* in #heat on freenode (rbergeron, 19:49:44)
* Garrett is now on the Fedora Board, because he is excellent. :)
(rbergeron, 19:52:34)
Meeting ended at 19:54:17 UTC.
Action Items
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* sdake to help out tdawson with sponsorship, tdawson to mail sdake
* rbergeron to check in with ovirt folks on gwt packaging
Action Items, by person
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* rbergeron
* rbergeron to check in with ovirt folks on gwt packaging
* sdake
* sdake to help out tdawson with sponsorship, tdawson to mail sdake
* tdawson
* sdake to help out tdawson with sponsorship, tdawson to mail sdake
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* rbergeron (117)
* ayoung (23)
* tdawson (21)
* mgoldmann (14)
* agrimm (13)
* sdake (10)
* rackerhacker (9)
* gholms (8)
* zodbot (5)
* ke4qqq (5)
* gregdek (5)
* jdarcy (5)
* mestery (4)
* jsmith (2)
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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-05-10 at 18UTC)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-05-10)
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:56 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-10/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* Robot Roll Call (nirik, 18:00:56)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:03:00)
* two factor auth status (nirik, 18:08:13)
* pam_url is nearly ready to package up and use. (nirik, 18:11:17)
* LINK: https://github.com/mricon/totp-cgi <- url for cgi (nirik,
18:11:53)
* Staging re-work status (nirik, 18:14:49)
* done! (nirik, 18:14:57)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:15:43)
* will coordinate app01.dev re-install. (nirik, 18:22:10)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:37:21)
* 2012-05-08 to 2012-05-22 FINAL FREEZE (nirik, 18:37:36)
* 2012-05-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 18:37:36)
* 2012-05-11 - Skvidal out. (nirik, 18:37:36)
* 2012-05-22 - F17 release (nirik, 18:37:36)
* 2012-06-01 - nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 18:37:36)
* 2011-06-03 - gitweb-cache removal day. (nirik, 18:37:36)
* 2012-06-08 OOW: osuosl01.fedoraproject.org (nirik, 18:37:38)
* 2012-06-17 OOW: sign-vault02.phx2.fedoraproject.org (nirik,
18:37:41)
* 2012-06-21 to 2012-07-04 Kevin is off on trains and boats. (nirik,
18:37:42)
* FTBFS run starting on buildvm05-08 and 02. (nirik, 18:41:12)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:43:11)
* ansible is in fedora/epel, please play with it. (nirik, 18:45:32)
Meeting ended at 18:47:52 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (94)
* skvidal (50)
* abadger1999 (33)
* lmacken (26)
* wolfkit (9)
* Neldogz (9)
* threebean (7)
* jds2001 (7)
* smooge (5)
* zodbot (4)
* whiterhino (3)
* relrod (3)
* herlo (2)
* SilentBob (1)
* dgilmore (1)
* ricky (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* CodeBlock (0)
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18:00:56 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-05-10)
18:00:56 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 10 18:00:56 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:56 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:56 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:56 <nirik> #topic Robot Roll Call
18:00:56 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean
18:00:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean
18:01:01 * relrod here
18:01:02 * skvidal is here
18:01:04 * abadger1999 here
18:01:08 * wolfkit is here
18:01:08 <smooge> crrowbot here
18:01:12 * lmacken
18:01:15 <dgilmore> hola
18:01:20 * jds2001
18:01:21 <Neldogz> neldogz is here
18:01:42 <herlo> here
18:02:07 * nirik waves
18:02:13 * SilentBob is here
18:03:00 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
18:03:00 <nirik> If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices
18:03:00 <nirik> would like to ask general questions, they can do so now. Anyone?
18:03:36 * nirik waits a min for any apprentices
18:03:49 <Neldogz> Sure, I can start.. I am new here , have about 10 years of general IT experience, strong within the server and networking side
18:04:19 <nirik> welcome Neldogz. You interested in sysadmin type stuff? or application development?
18:04:50 <Neldogz> thank you nirik, I am mostly interested in sysadmin work. monitoring, patching, fixing issues
18:05:09 <skvidal> Neldogz: which monitoring frameworks have you used?
18:05:13 <nirik> great. see me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and we can see about setting you up.
18:05:29 <skvidal> (yah - what nirik said) :)
18:05:42 <Neldogz> will do! skvidal, i have used PRTG and HP SIM for monitoring
18:05:53 <Neldogz> I am also currently learning Nagios
18:06:01 <nirik> any other new folks? or apprentices wanting to talk about tasks?
18:06:10 <whiterhino> I am new as well and about the same stats are Neldogz and would also like to get more involved in the system admin side
18:06:38 <nirik> welcome whiterhino
18:07:09 <whiterhino> I have used PRTG and nagios in the past, I currently use icinga and cacti
18:07:12 <whiterhino> thanks
18:07:40 <nirik> we use nagios here... and it needs some rework that various people have looked into. ;)
18:08:06 <nirik> anyhow, moving along.
18:08:13 <nirik> #topic two factor auth status
18:08:21 <nirik> I think we have some movement in this this week?
18:08:27 <wolfkit> this is coming along quite nicely :)
18:08:44 <wolfkit> I have the pam_url module escaping usernames and passwords, and has been committed to the pam_url source tree
18:08:52 <nirik> excellent.
18:08:58 <wolfkit> there is an odd segfault on 64-bit machines with it.. but I'm still looking in to that
18:09:24 <nirik> wolfkit: would you be willing also to package it up for Fedora/RHEL?
18:09:49 <wolfkit> hehe, kind of one step ahead of you, was playing around with a Fedora package for it last night :)
18:10:00 <wolfkit> haven't tested it on RHEL, can do though
18:10:06 <nirik> cool. I would be happy to review if you like.
18:10:26 <nirik> I think the cgi side also had a bunch of work this week..
18:10:33 <wolfkit> great! will file a ticket when it is ready
18:11:07 <skvidal> and some more items
18:11:07 <nirik> thanks
18:11:13 <skvidal> mricon did new patches to the totp cgi
18:11:17 <nirik> #info pam_url is nearly ready to package up and use.
18:11:18 <skvidal> that does the checking of the keys
18:11:32 <skvidal> specifically he added an 'encrypt the seed with the users passphrase/pin'
18:11:53 <nirik> https://github.com/mricon/totp-cgi <- url for cgi
18:11:54 <skvidal> so the user can have the opened seed on their end - but we only have the one encrypted with their pin/passphrase
18:12:11 <skvidal> this means we never have any unencrypted goo sitting on our system somewhere
18:12:25 <skvidal> now a user could get compromised, of course
18:12:32 <skvidal> but that just gives them one key
18:12:34 <skvidal> not all of them
18:12:38 <skvidal> s/key/seed/
18:12:43 <nirik> great.
18:12:56 <skvidal> it is terribly neat, actuall
18:12:56 <skvidal> y
18:13:19 <nirik> provided the pins aren't easily brute forceable... ie, not like 4 char number only.
18:13:55 <nirik> ok, anything else on this? or shall we move on?
18:14:14 <skvidal> that's it
18:14:23 <skvidal> nirik: I think the pins can be whatever...
18:14:40 <nirik> yeah, so we can make it something reasonable (although I don't think they need as much as passwords)
18:14:46 <skvidal> agreed
18:14:47 <nirik> anyhow, moving along...
18:14:49 <nirik> #topic Staging re-work status
18:14:50 <skvidal> nod
18:14:53 <nirik> this is done!
18:14:57 <nirik> #info done!
18:15:05 <skvidal> yay!
18:15:06 <abadger1999> Cool!
18:15:09 <skvidal> and there was much rejoicin
18:15:11 <herlo> +1
18:15:11 <wolfkit> awesome :D
18:15:12 <nirik> let me know if you run into any problems with staging in the new world order.
18:15:43 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:15:58 <nirik> any applications news this week? abadger1999 / lmacken / threebean / pingou / CodeBlock
18:16:22 <lmacken> not really, just a lot of bodhi2.0 hacking.
18:16:33 <lmacken> I still need to find a couple of hours to wrap up the packages/tagger deployment
18:16:52 <abadger1999> none from me
18:16:53 <nirik> lmacken: cool. We should still setup a meeting sometime for 2.0 discussions... perhaps after f17 goes gold...
18:17:25 <lmacken> nirik: sounds good
18:18:06 <threebean> nothing major new with messaging. lots of package reviews (almost done!)
18:18:16 <nirik> oh, I'll note that now in staging we no longer have a rhel5 host... but the only rhel5 thing we have left is app07 to run old community.
18:18:29 <nirik> so, hopefully that can putter along until we retire it.
18:18:29 <skvidal> yay for no rhel5!
18:18:36 <lmacken> no more py2.4 :)
18:19:22 <lmacken> sadly, 2.6 is already feeling old :(
18:19:34 <nirik> I think bapp01 and xen04 (soon to be stopped) and app07 are all we have left now. so, thats good.
18:20:16 <abadger1999> (community and smolt's cron job)
18:20:29 <nirik> oh, and app01.dev I guess...
18:20:33 <nirik> we need to redo that sometime.
18:20:46 * relrod can do that, just let me know when is good
18:21:03 <nirik> I think there's some active development going on on it... but I could be wrong... abadger1999 ?
18:21:04 <smooge> lmacken, its ok.. we can move to 2.8 when it comes out
18:21:15 <abadger1999> yeah
18:21:38 <abadger1999> relrod: I'll have to coordinate that -- backup stuff and put on the new hosts
18:22:04 <abadger1999> relrod: I'd also like to split it into two hosts -- a fas-development server (for developing fas, not a fas for the dev env)
18:22:10 <nirik> #info will coordinate app01.dev re-install.
18:22:10 <abadger1999> relrod: and a pkgdb development server.
18:22:24 <threebean> lmacken: we might think about building bodhi2 on py3. pyramid is already compatible (and mako and sqlalchemy).
18:22:32 <abadger1999> relrod: But if you wanted to create the new hosts.. I could just start moving the code over?
18:22:54 <relrod> abadger1999: Sounds good. Will start on that tonight after finals or tomorrow.
18:22:54 <lmacken> threebean: good call, I'll create a py3 virtualenv for my local development.
18:23:00 <abadger1999> relrod: Cool.
18:23:19 <abadger1999> uhhh...
18:23:24 <nirik> is there a python3 in rhel/epel6?
18:23:29 <lmacken> yup
18:23:29 <abadger1999> Not sure if I'd support that unless
18:23:34 <threebean> :D
18:23:44 <abadger1999> we do something about the py3 version in RHEL5/6 vs Fedora
18:23:47 <abadger1999> err
18:23:54 <abadger1999> just epel6
18:24:16 <abadger1999> unles dmalcolm already updated?
18:24:19 * nirik doesn't see it.
18:24:27 * abadger1999 checks whats available
18:24:37 * abadger1999 doesn't either
18:24:53 <abadger1999> so... we'd need a whole new stack of deps...
18:25:01 <lmacken> I think he's working on it
18:25:04 <abadger1999> lots of packaging work if you want to go that route.
18:25:07 <lmacken> and yeah, it'll require a lot of packaging tweaks
18:25:12 <lmacken> but, inevitable tweaks.
18:25:14 <abadger1999> most spec files will have conditionals
18:25:31 <abadger1999> should be reasonable to get those changed.
18:26:08 <abadger1999> and since it's not in yet, you won't have to worry about it being a really old version of py3
18:26:10 <nirik> how do things like mod_wsgi handle multiple python versions?
18:26:29 <abadger1999> otoh... it does mean that we'll have to support both py2 and py3.
18:26:34 <abadger1999> nirik: They don't
18:26:42 <abadger1999> so we'd need two sets of app servers too....
18:26:51 <nirik> yeah, so we would need more servers...
18:26:51 <nirik> yeah
18:26:56 <abadger1999> logisitcs of this seems more and more suspect.
18:27:03 <lmacken> yeah, true :)
18:27:08 <jds2001> why two sets?
18:27:16 <jds2001> instead of two instances?
18:27:23 <abadger1999> jds2001: TG1 and TG2 will never be able to shift over to python3
18:27:31 <abadger1999> because some of there deps are never going to port.
18:27:35 <nirik> jds2001: you mean multiple httpds?
18:27:39 <wolfkit> perhaps not necessarily building bodhi2 specifically for py3, but testing on py3 to ensure it's working / compatible with it for a later deployment?
18:27:40 <jds2001> nirik: yeah
18:27:44 <threebean> lmacken: build it with python-six so bodhi2 can run on py3 someday... someday.
18:27:47 <threebean> wolfkit: yeah
18:27:56 <lmacken> threebean: yeah, python-six is probably the way to go
18:28:06 <abadger1999> so until all of those are ported to different toolkits, we'd need to support modules for python2 and modules for python3.
18:28:15 <nirik> I suppose that could work, but it's always a bit odd to do that... ie, never know which server restarts when you do a restart, etc.
18:28:15 <abadger1999> <nod>
18:28:51 <abadger1999> threebean: six +1... That could be a good way forward -- also the next py3 release will make u"string" valid again
18:28:54 <abadger1999> so that will help
18:29:15 <threebean> :)
18:29:18 <jds2001> nirik: many moons ago at my previous job, I'd ran 20+ httpd instances on one box.
18:29:25 <nirik> crazy. ;)
18:29:30 <jds2001> and could restart each independently :)
18:29:38 <nirik> anyhow, worth investigating... we don't have to decide now.
18:29:46 <nirik> any other application news?
18:29:50 <lmacken> speakin of mod_wsgi, I've been pinging upstream about my hash seed patch. dead air :(
18:30:09 <lmacken> in the mean time, we could potentially do the apache init script hack to enable hash seed randomization
18:30:27 <lmacken> or, we could ship a custom mod_wsgi with my patch
18:30:55 * lmacken looks to see if our python in production already supports it
18:31:03 <nirik> probibly the init script hack would be easier as a hotfix... custom mod_wsgi would require us to keep on our toes updating.
18:31:10 <lmacken> yep
18:31:22 <nirik> but also note that we are in freeze... so we need to be careful what we change
18:31:25 <lmacken> I already put the diff for that init script patch in the trac ticket
18:31:35 <lmacken> yeah, probably will have to wait in that case
18:32:01 <nirik> ok.
18:32:03 <threebean> oh -- ryansb contributed an ircbot for fedmsg. fun!
18:32:28 <nirik> cool.... irc message busing. ;)
18:32:55 <lmacken> yeah, our python already supports -R... should be simple to enable it for our apps.
18:33:13 <nirik> excellent.
18:33:15 <lmacken> (even though there is a bug in the python hash randomization http://bugs.python.org/issue14621)
18:33:35 <lmacken> I doubt any of our apps rely on dict ordering, but we'll still want to test everything in staging first
18:34:18 <nirik> yeah, perhaps we could do that soon and deploy after freeze... or if it looks fine, just do a freeze break and push it out.
18:34:22 <lmacken> my init script patch is here: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3169
18:35:08 <nirik> yeah
18:35:22 <lmacken> oh wait, I was looking at the wrong python... looks like we don't have the patch in production
18:35:35 <nirik> ah, ;(
18:35:50 <lmacken> hopefully a yum update should pull it in though... not positive
18:36:03 <nirik> I thought I saw that update go by
18:36:23 <nirik> but I guess not
18:36:51 <nirik> lets discuss further outside of meeting I guess. I can look into where that update is.
18:37:01 <nirik> moving along...
18:37:21 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-05-08 to 2012-05-22 FINAL FREEZE
18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-05-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices
18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-05-11 - Skvidal out.
18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-05-22 - F17 release
18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-06-01 - nag fi-apprentices.
18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2011-06-03 - gitweb-cache removal day.
18:37:38 <nirik> #info 2012-06-08 OOW: osuosl01.fedoraproject.org
18:37:41 <nirik> #info 2012-06-17 OOW: sign-vault02.phx2.fedoraproject.org
18:37:42 <nirik> #info 2012-06-21 to 2012-07-04 Kevin is off on trains and boats.
18:37:44 <nirik> thats what I have for upcoming.
18:37:59 <nirik> anyone want to schedule something or note some upcoming task/work?
18:38:06 <skvidal> I'll note something
18:38:28 <skvidal> I am getting buildvm-05 - 08 setup today - and I will be starting a ftbfs run on them
18:38:40 <skvidal> I'll be basing the run from lockbox01 into some disk space there
18:38:51 <nirik> skvidal: cool. Is this against rawhide I assume?
18:38:56 <skvidal> yeah it will be
18:39:02 <Neldogz> nirik: I belive we can close easyfix ticket 3231. After the restart of the unbound service, nagios appears to be performing the check successfully. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//extinfo.cgi?type=2&host=u...
18:39:39 <nirik> Neldogz: yeah, odd. It was doing it for a while, then stopped. ;) Oh well.
18:40:02 <nirik> skvidal: anything we need to know if we need to stop it or the like?
18:40:12 <skvidal> nirik: no
18:40:15 <Neldogz> I wish we could pinpoint what exactly was causing the problem.
18:40:22 <skvidal> nirik: just kill the processes running as me on lockbox01
18:40:31 <skvidal> nirik: and you can either kill or reboot buildvmhost-02
18:40:42 <skvidal> it might eat up some disk space on lockbox01
18:40:48 <skvidal> I'm looking to make sure that won't happen now
18:40:48 <nirik> Neldogz: me too. oh well, we will see if it happens again I guess.
18:40:53 <nirik> skvidal: ok.
18:41:12 <skvidal> nirik: hmm - not a lot of disk there, is there...
18:41:12 <nirik> #info FTBFS run starting on buildvm05-08 and 02.
18:41:18 <skvidal> not 02
18:41:25 <smooge> question.. when does skvidal get back
18:41:31 <skvidal> buildvm-05 -> 08 - which are all on buildvmhost-02
18:41:36 <skvidal> smooge: I'll be back monday
18:41:39 <nirik> ah, right, sorry. Could be more clear there.
18:41:42 <skvidal> smooge: my little brother is graduating from college
18:41:50 <skvidal> so I'm away for that this weekend
18:41:55 <jds2001> skvidal: mine just did :)
18:42:00 <skvidal> I should be available via phone some of the time
18:42:01 <skvidal> jds2001: :)
18:42:07 <skvidal> but I wouldn't bet on it
18:42:12 <smooge> you kids
18:42:36 <Neldogz> nirik: can someone that has access re-enable the notifications for the tls/ssh dns check to unbound-telia01
18:42:47 <nirik> Neldogz: yeah, I can see after the meeting.
18:42:57 <Neldogz> cool
18:43:11 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:43:16 <nirik> anyone have items for open floor?
18:43:35 <skvidal> nirik: I have one item, maybe?
18:43:41 <nirik> sure, shoot...
18:43:45 <skvidal> ansible made it into epel-6 and fedora now as pkgs
18:43:51 <skvidal> so it is easier for folks to play/test with
18:43:56 <skvidal> it is still evolving
18:44:03 <skvidal> but I wanted to encourage folks to mess with it
18:44:16 <nirik> cool.
18:44:16 <skvidal> and complain baout things if you find issues
18:44:16 * nirik makes a note to try it out here.
18:44:23 <smooge> will be messing with it next week as I redeploy my home system
18:44:25 <skvidal> I'm using ansible's api to drive the ftbfs stuff
18:44:38 <skvidal> and using the playbooks to setup the buildvm boxes I'm doing today
18:44:48 <skvidal> but more eyes/complaints are good
18:44:51 <skvidal> thx
18:45:32 <nirik> #info ansible is in fedora/epel, please play with it.
18:46:21 <nirik> ok, anything else or shall we call it a meeting?
18:47:49 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
18:47:52 <nirik> #endmeeting
12 years
Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-05-10)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-05-10)
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Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-10/irc-support-si...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:00:00)
* Week in review (nirik, 17:01:28)
* LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
(nirik, 17:01:28)
* Tickets (nirik, 17:04:06)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 (nirik,
17:04:07)
* new proposed #fedora-social op (nirik, 17:04:28)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/104 (nirik,
17:04:28)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:25:45)
Meeting ended at 17:48:36 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (69)
* dcr226 (63)
* EvilBob (50)
* Sonar_Gal (20)
* nb-phone (14)
* Southern_Gentlem (3)
* N3LRX (3)
* zodbot (3)
* Khaytsus (2)
* DiscordianUK (1)
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17:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-05-10)
17:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 10 17:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:00:00 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:00:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:00:00 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:00 * Khaytsus sets out tea and biscuits
17:00:24 * N3LRX
17:00:26 * EvilBob
17:00:26 <nirik> who all is around today?
17:00:32 * DiscordianUK is
17:00:44 * dcr226 tips his cap
17:01:20 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive in.
17:01:28 <nirik> #topic Week in review
17:01:28 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
17:01:42 <nirik> anything from this last week?
17:02:20 <nirik> I'll note that as f17 comes close to release, updates-testing is disabled now by default. This may cause issues for f17prerelease people. See: http://scrye.com/wordpress-mu/nirik/2012/05/09/fedora-17-prerelease-and-u...
17:02:34 * Sonar_Gal
17:03:48 <nirik> nothing else really stood out for me in channel this last week... pretty typical
17:04:06 <nirik> #topic Tickets
17:04:07 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1
17:04:15 <nirik> we have one ticket, but it's our next topic... so...
17:04:28 <nirik> #topic new proposed #fedora-social op
17:04:28 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/104
17:05:01 <nirik> anything anyone would like to add thats not in the ticket?
17:05:08 <EvilBob> I disagree, from what I have seen he is not active in the channel enough to be effective.
17:05:18 * nirik notes 7 days for the ticket ends later today... it was filed after last weeks meeting.
17:05:29 <Sonar_Gal> yes it was
17:05:54 <Sonar_Gal> I think he is active enough in the channel it is a social channel not a support channel
17:05:58 * dcr226 has nothing to add, is still -1, and would still love to see nb more active on -social to make an informed decision
17:06:01 <nirik> so, I see +5 / -2 then?
17:06:11 <EvilBob> There is also the issue of his insistence to have a presence in the ops channel after it was established what channels the group manages.
17:06:38 <dcr226> also, I'd urge folks to exercise caution when appointing a non-active user as an op
17:06:49 <Sonar_Gal> then why are other non-fedora social op's in there
17:07:16 <EvilBob> Additionally I feel there are users of the channel that are more qualified and should be considered first if we are going to be adding ops.
17:07:22 <nirik> "Other folks can be allowed by nomination from an op and a second from any other operator" <- I think any no ops there are under this.
17:07:48 * dcr226 appreciates that "active" is subjective....I don't think we need to argue the finer points of "active" in this case
17:08:07 <nirik> EvilBob: yeah, we could nominate some more for sure.
17:08:17 <dcr226> EvilBob, +1, but maybe should nomin....
17:08:20 <dcr226> yeah, what he said
17:08:28 <Sonar_Gal> nirik, that's fine but I get tired of hearing he can't be in the channel all the time when I don't care if he is ther
17:08:46 <Sonar_Gal> neither do others
17:09:08 <nirik> anyhow, I think this passes... we move on? unless folks want to change votes, or the like.
17:09:15 <EvilBob> At one time there was a reason they were there, with the -noc channel that is no longer the case.
17:09:42 <EvilBob> Had he left the channel after the new guidelines were established my opinion might be different.
17:09:56 <dcr226> Question: Is the over-arching purpose of the nomination/subsequent votes to solidify nb's position and presence in #fedora-ops?
17:10:12 <Sonar_Gal> Hell no
17:10:17 <dcr226> because there are many other active users in -social
17:10:17 * nirik sure hopes not.
17:10:22 <EvilBob> His belligerence on this item shows a lack of being willing to work with others.
17:10:33 <Sonar_Gal> And EvilBob you would have never nominated him as you like to argue to much with him
17:10:38 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, so why not mock, tw2113, kc8fi, tatica?
17:10:42 <Sonar_Gal> No it doesn't
17:10:58 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: as the results of HIS actions I do take issue with him, yes.
17:11:08 <dcr226> any of those users above are very active, and have positive influence
17:11:09 <Sonar_Gal> whatever
17:11:22 <Sonar_Gal> yes mock is active but only during working hours
17:11:34 <Sonar_Gal> same with most where nb is on non working hours
17:11:38 * nirik also finds N3LRX active at late hours and good to steer the channel right. ;)
17:11:45 <dcr226> nirik, yeah..the list could go on
17:11:56 <EvilBob> nirik: He is very good at that.
17:12:01 <Sonar_Gal> yes I would agree N3LRX is good and should be nominated
17:12:25 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, my reason for asking the above question was; if that is the case...why can't we just vote on nb's presence in -ops
17:12:31 <dcr226> I have little issue with it personally
17:12:33 <EvilBob> I will nominate N3LRX once the existing guidelines are enforced
17:12:36 <nirik> dcr226: I thought we already did in fact.
17:12:46 <dcr226> nirik, oh..ok, I must have been elsewhere :)
17:12:50 <dcr226> or goofing off somewhere
17:12:55 <Sonar_Gal> you know what maybe I will think deeply on getting rid of my op's in -social
17:13:03 <nirik> unless we need to re-nominate and vote on people after the new voting guidelines...
17:13:04 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, naawwwww
17:13:07 <Sonar_Gal> Tired of the political nonsense
17:13:08 <EvilBob> dcr226: It did not happen on the list or on the trac instance
17:13:09 <nirik> which we can do if people really want.
17:13:28 <nirik> EvilBob: because it was before the formal guidelines. I'd be happy to do it again if you want.
17:13:42 <dcr226> nirik, vote to vote to vote to vote...could get messy
17:13:49 <EvilBob> nirik: will YOU ask him to leave until that happens?
17:14:05 <nirik> there are 4 or 5 others also (at least)
17:14:12 <dcr226> I have no problem with nb as a person whatsoever...I'm cautious of voting in a non-active user as op...it pretty much ends there
17:14:22 <EvilBob> nirik: so we can chat openly in private about his -social nomination?
17:14:54 <EvilBob> nirik: once the new guidelines were established at least one user that had been welcome there did leave
17:14:57 <nirik> EvilBob: have you felt restricted in what you can discuss?
17:14:58 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, don't quit being op on -social, there's no need and the channel would loose lots if you do that
17:15:26 <EvilBob> nirik: I have felt restricted in what I can say for quite some time in there
17:15:52 <dcr226> *also*, Its not specific that I worry about voting nb...I worry about where this could end (voting non-active users in)
17:15:55 <nirik> so, you want us to revote for all non ops that were previously invited to the channel again now that we have rules?
17:16:11 <dcr226> I'm sure that nb would do a good job....for my mind he has to _do_ that job first
17:16:42 <EvilBob> nirik: there is nothing in the guidelines that says they are grandfthered in
17:16:42 <Sonar_Gal> dcr226, he does in many other channels he has op's in
17:16:54 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, sure, no dispute there
17:16:55 <Sonar_Gal> That's my point he knows the rules and guidelines
17:17:15 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, I worry about setting a precedent that non-active users can get op
17:17:20 <nirik> EvilBob: ok, it seems pointless to me, but sure.
17:17:36 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: Irrelevant, they are not channels this group has supervisory control over.
17:17:38 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, next time it won't be nb...it could be any number of users, if they are popular enough to get enough +1's, they're op on #fedora
17:17:54 <Sonar_Gal> haha
17:18:26 <nirik> so, I can file tickets for each of the non op people after the meeting.
17:18:42 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, I'll give you an example..if/when this goes through, if I nominate tatica for op on #fedora, she's popular enough to get a majority vote
17:18:44 <EvilBob> nirik: you never answered my question
17:18:48 <dcr226> would this be a good thing? I think not
17:18:49 <EvilBob> nirik: will YOU ask him to leave until that happens?
17:19:11 <nirik> EvilBob: no, because this ticket we are discussing is passing, and thus he is an op in social, so he can stay.
17:19:46 <nirik> I guess I can ask ricky, jds2001, sonar_logger1, and pingou to leave tho
17:19:49 <EvilBob> nirik: as you pointed out this ticket has not had a full 7 days so it should be voted on next week, not this week
17:20:05 <dcr226> nirik, separate issue to the ticket imho
17:20:18 <EvilBob> nirik: Allowing this week and this meeting to allow discussion
17:20:19 <dcr226> or at least I hope it is
17:20:38 <nirik> EvilBob: "Voting members have 7 days to vote, majority vote determines outcome." that doesn't say that we wait another week.
17:20:48 <nirik> dcr226: which is?
17:21:04 <dcr226> nirik, the issue is nb's nomination for op if I'm not mistaken
17:21:08 <EvilBob> nirik: It says 7 days, as you stated it has not been 7 days
17:21:22 <nirik> dcr226: yes.
17:21:32 <dcr226> not "who is allowed to be in -ops"
17:21:44 <dcr226> maybe I lost the thread here somewhere :/
17:21:46 <dcr226> cock
17:21:48 <EvilBob> dcr226: It's a sub item if anything
17:21:48 <dcr226> ups, sorry
17:22:05 <nirik> EvilBob: right, so in 2 hours it will be 7 days... the votes can be tallyed?
17:22:31 <EvilBob> nirik: I would think that votes would be counted at the meeting following the 7 days
17:22:46 <Southern_Gentlem> *yawn*
17:22:56 * nirik wouldn't... I'd be happy to ask nb to wait a week if you think there's some actual reason.
17:23:28 <nb-phone> I don't see how it would change......
17:23:54 <dcr226> I don't think it needs another week, I just would like everyone who has voted, to re-consider their vote based on the lack of activity. Not specific to this case, but where it might lead in the future
17:23:57 <nirik> on the other side there's no urgency...
17:23:59 <dcr226> if nothing changes...then so bit
17:24:04 <dcr226> erm, so be it
17:24:06 <nb-phone> It says a week. Not a week and wait till a meeting. EvilBob why don't you follow the policy
17:24:13 <EvilBob> Does not matter really the guidelines are not being followed anyhow.
17:24:24 <nb-phone> EvilBob: How are they not?
17:25:01 <nirik> anyhow, I don't think we are getting anywhere here. Shall we call this topic done and move on?
17:25:45 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:25:54 <EvilBob> If "<nb-phone> I don't see how it would change..." why would another week bother you so much?
17:26:00 <nirik> should we discuss the re-nomination of people who are not ops to be invited to fedora-ops?
17:26:09 <dcr226> wait, hold up....so is nb-phone op on -social now?
17:26:16 <nirik> I'm happy to re-nominate them all, and ask for seconds.
17:26:23 <Southern_Gentlem> 2nd
17:26:26 <nirik> dcr226: not for 2 hours at least.
17:26:27 * dcr226 wonders what "done" means wrt the topic
17:26:30 <dcr226> oh..I see
17:27:22 <nb-phone> nirik: Vote concludes after 1 week still?
17:27:33 <dcr226> in 2 hours
17:27:49 <nirik> I think so. If you want to be nice and wait another week for more discussion thats up to you.
17:28:11 <nirik> or if someone wants to propose a clarification on the 7 days rule.
17:28:17 <Southern_Gentlem> ok so we are back down to a bitchfest and getting nothing done let me know when there is a productive meeting
17:28:22 <dcr226> I don't think this should run on for another week
17:28:27 * nirik has had a hard week, so doesn't really want to expend more energy on it
17:28:34 <dcr226> if nothing changes in the next 2 hours, then its done imho
17:28:36 <nb-phone> nirik: My thought is that EvilBob wants to fuss because he is not getting his way. I say do like he says and follow the policy
17:28:44 <nb-phone> So tally the votes in 2 hrs
17:28:52 <EvilBob> There was enough discussion alone that I think another week is justified.
17:29:23 <EvilBob> to allow people to read the logs and eveluate their votes
17:29:28 <nb-phone> EvilBob: Thats not in the policy. You want to follow the policy. Follow it then.
17:30:54 <EvilBob> dcr226: 2 hours is hardly enough time for people to review the logs of this meeting and discussion
17:31:28 <nb-phone> EvilBob: They had a week to read the ticket
17:31:31 <EvilBob> nb-phone: talking about not getting one's way, how about pointing that finger at the one that nominated you.
17:31:47 <nb-phone> Bob you complain about not following the policy but yet you want to not follow the policy
17:31:49 <nirik> ok, any other items for open floor?
17:32:04 <nirik> I dont think this discussion is going in a productive way.
17:32:14 <EvilBob> <Sonar_Gal> you know what maybe I will think deeply on getting rid of my op's in -social
17:32:15 <nb-phone> Me either I suggest we move on
17:32:50 <EvilBob> talk about taking your ball and going home
17:33:10 <Sonar_Gal> EvilBob, I will and probably will in the future so I don't have to deal with you
17:33:14 <dcr226> nirik, yeah...I'd got a suggestion for getting more support tickets
17:33:17 <nirik> Sonar_Gal: please don't.
17:33:20 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: Sounds familiar
17:33:25 <nirik> dcr226: oh, do tell?
17:33:42 <dcr226> nirik, I think...kill the fedbot spammer for a week, I think eyes have gotten used to it
17:33:56 <dcr226> I think its "hiding in plain sight" nowadays
17:34:07 <nirik> yeah, could be. or change wording again.
17:34:10 <dcr226> so people aren't reacting to it
17:34:36 <nirik> could we make it do a random rotation perhaps?
17:34:40 <dcr226> I think making it go away for a week will work nicely...we won't get any feedback for a week (nothing new there), but might get some next week when it comes back on
17:34:52 <dcr226> just a thought
17:34:58 <nirik> ok, and that will be the run up to release too...
17:35:11 <nirik> sure, +1 here... any other thoughts?
17:35:36 <EvilBob> I would +1 that bringing it back post release
17:35:48 <dcr226> EvilBob, yeah...anything that gives it a rest
17:35:53 <dcr226> I think people aren't seeing it anymore
17:36:04 <nirik> yeah, I haven't seen anyone even comment on it recently.
17:36:53 * nirik sees no one objecting...
17:37:06 <EvilBob> Again, I ask the group to delay the nomination vote until the next meeting to allow everyone to read this meeting's log
17:37:35 * nirik doesn't really think there's any new info in the meeting that wasn't in the ticket.
17:37:37 <Sonar_Gal> What gets me is everyone has had a week to comment and reply
17:37:41 <EvilBob> But apparently nb-phone is to scared of what the results might be.
17:38:00 <EvilBob> Most things have been a full week and vote
17:38:14 <dcr226> I'd like folks not present, who are members of the sig time to consider the ramifications of the vote...so yeah, I'd like more time I guess
17:38:56 <nb-phone> EvilBob: You are jus mad you aren't getting your way
17:39:03 * nirik dislikes always delaying at the last minute at the meeting. we did this for the voting rules for like 3 weeks... nothing changed. But sure, if nb wishes to hold his nomination for a week that would be fine with me.
17:39:09 <dcr226> nb-phone, I don't think its that at all
17:39:09 <EvilBob> nb-phone: Not at all, I only think it is fair
17:39:43 <EvilBob> nb-phone: there has been a precedent for this in our votes in the past
17:39:56 <nb-phone> nirik: I do not. EvilBob is the only one who is really complaining. People had a week to read the ticket and if they cant manage to rwspond in a week then...
17:40:22 <EvilBob> we have always had a week to discuss then vote
17:40:30 * dcr226 notes zodiac was nominated for op last year....could have easily had enough votes to make it happen..would this have been a good thing??
17:40:48 <dcr226> s/nominated/very nearly nominated, if not actually nominated
17:41:19 <Khaytsus> I've never seen nb troll and attack everyone nearby.....
17:41:31 <EvilBob> dcr226: Was nominated by me, he got sick of the argument over lack of policy
17:41:31 <nirik> dcr226: I don't think there were sufficent votes.
17:42:03 <nb-phone> Can we just move on and follow the dang policy?
17:42:05 <dcr226> nirik, there was just one vote iirc...my point is, if someone was popular enough, they could get op...regardless of ability
17:42:34 <nirik> dcr226: popular with voting members, yeah.
17:42:47 <dcr226> yeah, that shouldn't happen imho...its not a boy's club
17:42:57 <nirik> dcr226: if you have a proposal on how to amend the rules to avoid that problem, please do propose the change
17:43:01 <dcr226> Heh :)
17:43:16 <nirik> anyhow, I'm going to close the meeting in about a minute if nothing else comes up.
17:43:18 <EvilBob> yes dcr226 propose a change after the fact
17:43:50 <EvilBob> dcr226: that is how they pushed the fucking guidelines in on a week they knew I could not make the meeting
17:44:16 * nirik rolls eyes.
17:44:20 <EvilBob> Sorry for my language
17:44:27 <dcr226> I think this will come back to bite the sig on the ass fwiw
17:44:42 <EvilBob> dcr226: Oh it will
17:44:44 <dcr226> not with nb...but the precedent that has been set
17:44:52 * dcr226 eof :)
17:45:14 <EvilBob> dcr226: every vote from now on does not need a full week with a meeting to discuss
17:45:30 <nb-phone> Yes it only needs 1 week since the ticket is filed
17:45:49 <EvilBob> again, one full week then vote
17:46:18 <EvilBob> not vote before it can be discussed in a meeting
17:46:29 <N3LRX> I have an idea. How about amending the policy to require op nominations -before- a scheduled meeting. Then at the next meeting the nomination can be reviewed at the following meeting then voted on by adding the vote to the ticket. Then the result can be enacted upon the next meeting. That may prevent this sort of go-around from happening in the future. Does this make sense?
17:46:53 <dcr226> N3LRX, I think that is what EvilBob is getting at...and I THINK that is what happened when I got +o
17:46:57 <dcr226> (IIRC)
17:47:02 <EvilBob> N3LRX: That is how I intepreted the rules
17:47:06 <nirik> dcr226: we had no formal policy then, but it could be.
17:47:13 <dcr226> yeah
17:47:45 <EvilBob> N3LRX: This is appearing to be what is called a "quick trial" in the legal system
17:47:56 <nirik> I'm not opposed to clarifying the rules that way. N3LRX: can you file a ticket with the exact wording diff?
17:48:22 <N3LRX> sure.
17:48:33 <nirik> anyhow, I need to get ready for my next meeting... so thanks for coming
17:48:36 <nirik> #endmeeting
12 years
FUDCon KL Meeting Minutes :: 2012-05-10
by Tee Yee Shen
Hey folks,
Thanks for attending the FUDCon KL Planning Meeting (2012-05-10).
Following is the meeting summary;
Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-05-10/fudcon_kl_20...
Log:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-05-10/fudcon_kl_20...
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#fudcon-planning Meeting
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Meeting started by MavJS at 14:11:39 UTC. The full logs are available
athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-05-10/fudcon_kl_2...
.
Meeting summary
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* LINK: Agenda
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Meeting:2012-05-10
(MavJS, 14:12:18)
* Roll Call (MavJS, 14:12:47)
* Announcements (MavJS, 14:14:03)
* we have a things to get done list
https://fudconkl.etherpad.mozilla.org/17 (MavJS, 14:14:31)
* please use that to finish up the tasks for this week. (MavJS,
14:14:59)
* we will be having a physical meeting this Saturday (2012-05-12) at
UCTI (MavJS, 14:15:34)
* MavJS has sent out Guidebooks for sponsored attendees, please read
through it. (MavJS, 14:16:03)
* swags likely be finished on tomorrow/saturday (KageSenshi,
14:20:09)
* t-shirt likely on tomorrow/saturday/monday (KageSenshi, 14:20:22)
* we'll be having a sprint to get last minute stuff done on saturday
(KageSenshi, 14:20:51)
* FUDCon KL 2012 is on 8 days!!! (KageSenshi, 14:21:15)
* Review Actions from Last Meeting (MavJS, 14:27:39)
* we've already booked the rooms (KageSenshi, 14:29:18)
* ACTION: KageSenshi to meet up with OSCC on 17th for lucky draw stuff
(KageSenshi, 14:31:24)
* Questions/Decisions (MavJS, 14:31:47)
* ACTION: KageSenshi to check up with Mansur on Melaka CM status .. as
some people seems to be too worried about not following protocol"
(KageSenshi, 14:37:01)
* ACTION: rbergeron to write up welcoming notes for fudconkl guidebook
(KageSenshi, 14:38:29)
* I was contacted by some educational institute this morning .. that
they are planning to bring 30 students over (KageSenshi, 14:40:14)
* ACTION: jurank_dankkal to check up with his university faculty if we
can borrow walkie talkies (KageSenshi, 14:43:20)
* LINK:
http://list.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/List.asp?DA=A&SubmitButton=Search&TheK...
(KageSenshi, 14:49:53)
* LINK:
http://www.lelong.com.my/motorola-t5720-radio-frs-22-channel-walkie-talki...
(KageSenshi, 14:50:25)
* New Action Items (MavJS, 14:53:16)
* ACTION: EVERYONE please be at UCTI/APIIT on saturday (KageSenshi,
14:53:37)
* ACTION: Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's
back home. (MavJS, 14:54:07)
* Open Floor (MavJS, 14:56:50)
* ACTION: KageSenshi to buy the badge holders for lanyards
(KageSenshi, 14:58:36)
* ACTION: MavJS to ping Gurdip about getting the existing vlnts to
show up on Saturday (MavJS, 15:01:42)
Meeting ended at 15:05:09 UTC.
Action Items
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* KageSenshi to meet up with OSCC on 17th for lucky draw stuff
* KageSenshi to check up with Mansur on Melaka CM status .. as some
people seems to be too worried about not following protocol"
* rbergeron to write up welcoming notes for fudconkl guidebook
* jurank_dankkal to check up with his university faculty if we can
borrow walkie talkies
* EVERYONE please be at UCTI/APIIT on saturday
* Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's back home.
* KageSenshi to buy the badge holders for lanyards
* MavJS to ping Gurdip about getting the existing vlnts to show up on
Saturday
Action Items, by person
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* Alvisyu
* Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's back home.
* jurank_dankkal
* jurank_dankkal to check up with his university faculty if we can
borrow walkie talkies
* KageSenshi
* KageSenshi to meet up with OSCC on 17th for lucky draw stuff
* KageSenshi to check up with Mansur on Melaka CM status .. as some
people seems to be too worried about not following protocol"
* KageSenshi to buy the badge holders for lanyards
* MavJS
* Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's back home.
* MavJS to ping Gurdip about getting the existing vlnts to show up on
Saturday
* rbergeron
* rbergeron to write up welcoming notes for fudconkl guidebook
* TYSSeries
* Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's back home.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* EVERYONE please be at UCTI/APIIT on saturday
People Present (lines said)
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* MavJS (118)
* KageSenshi (110)
* rbergeron (30)
* vinz007 (22)
* jurank_dankkal (18)
* zodbot (12)
* Alvisyu (6)
* TYSSeries (5)
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12 years
FAmSco meeting 2012-05-09 minutes
by Christoph Wickert
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famsco.2012-05...
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famsco.2012-05...
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famsco.2012-05...
Meet you again next week
Wednesday, May 17th
at 22:00 UTC
in #fedora-meeting!
Regards,
Christoph
==================================
#fedora-meeting: FAmSCo 2012-05-09
==================================
Meeting started by cwickert at 22:01:07 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famsco.2012-05...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (cwickert, 22:01:20)
* Zoltan cannot attend today (cwickert, 22:10:00)
* the meeting agenda for today's meeting can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 (cwickert, 22:10:42)
* we don't have a quorum yet, so this meeting is only informal :(
(cwickert, 22:11:02)
* Budget for LinuxTag (cwickert, 22:11:56)
* FAmSCo elections (cwickert, 22:26:58)
* Nominations for FAmSCo are open. If you want to run, add yourself at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_2012_F18_nominations
(cwickert, 22:27:24)
* Nomination period ends 23:59:59 UTC on the 15th (cwickert,
22:28:20)
* we now have a quorum (cwickert, 22:28:46)
* Budget for LinuxTag (continued) (cwickert, 22:37:01)
* AGREED: #291 is approved (cwickert, 22:37:40)
* Budget review guidelines (cwickert, 22:39:05)
* ACTION: all famsco members and all credit card holder to add their
thoughts to #281 (cwickert, 23:17:59)
Meeting ended at 23:21:13 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* all famsco members and all credit card holder to add their thoughts to
#281
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* all famsco members and all credit card holder to add their thoughts
to #281
12 years
EMEA ambassadors meeting 2012-05-09 minutes
by Christoph Wickert
I have to admit about the number of attendees recently. Please try to
attend the meetings more frequently. Thanks!
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-09/emea_ambassa...
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-09/emea_ambassa...
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-09/emea_ambassa...
Meet you again on
Wednesday, 16th (Next week!)
at 20:00 UTC
in #fedora-meeting!
Regards,
Christoph
==============================================
#fedora-meeting-1: EMEA Ambassadors 2012-05-09
==============================================
Meeting summary
---------------
* roll call (cwickert, 20:07:44)
* FUDCon APAC ahead (cwickert, 20:13:45)
* Announcements (cwickert, 20:14:05)
* Last call for LinuxTag. If you want to attend LinuxTag Berlin and
need a hotel, get in touch with cwickert ASAP (cwickert, 20:14:49)
* Ambassadors Schedule (cwickert, 20:16:01)
* Fedora 17 might be delayed by another week. we need to be prepared
(cwickert, 20:18:21)
* LINK:
http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora17/media-artwork/Fedora-17-instal...
(gnokii, 20:20:15)
* ACTION: Sesivany to give Alexander the specs of the media vendor
(cwickert, 20:24:44)
* ACTION: gnokii to work on the media artwork with Alexander. make
sure we have the artwork for install media in 32+64 bit (on one DVD)
(cwickert, 20:25:38)
* ACTION: cwickert to figure out how/when we can get the final images
(cwickert, 20:28:22)
* Events (cwickert, 20:29:14)
* cwickert has registered Fedora as project for FrOSCon but not yet
requested a devroom (cwickert, 20:50:00)
* we would like to have a Fedora room again, but we need talks and
workshops (cwickert, 20:50:22)
* ACTION: cwickert to create a wiki page for FrOSCon (cwickert,
20:50:43)
* ACTION: cwickert to call for talks and workshops for FrOSCon
(cwickert, 20:51:51)
* if you need a polo, request one by following the instructions at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Polo_Shirt#EMEA (cwickert, 20:56:03)
* giallu is event owner for EuroPython 2012 in Florence (cwickert,
20:58:56)
* ACTION: giallu to create a wiki page for EuroPython (cwickert,
20:59:07)
* Software Freedom Day Hamburg will take place September 15th at the
Technische Universität Hamburg-Harburg (cwickert, 21:02:32)
* Action items from previous meetings (cwickert, 21:07:36)
* ACTION: rbergeron to ship case badges and stickers to Sesivany at
the Brno office (cwickert, 21:09:25)
* ACTION: shaiton_ and cwickert to get quotes for tablecloth
(cwickert, 21:18:46)
* Open FLoor (cwickert, 21:19:13)
* ACTION: everybody try to figure out if there is a kind of "prepaid
card" for your local postal service (cwickert, 21:30:40)
* the deadline for asking the FAmSCo candidates questions is due, but
you might sneak your question in last minute at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_elections_questionnaire
(cwickert, 21:37:44)
Meeting ended at 21:40:36 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* Sesivany to give Alexander the specs of the media vendor
* gnokii to work on the media artwork with Alexander. make sure we have
the artwork for install media in 32+64 bit (on one DVD)
* cwickert to figure out how/when we can get the final images
* cwickert to create a wiki page for FrOSCon
* cwickert to call for talks and workshops for FrOSCon
* giallu to create a wiki page for EuroPython
* rbergeron to ship case badges and stickers to Sesivany at the Brno
office
* shaiton_ and cwickert to get quotes for tablecloth
* everybody try to figure out if there is a kind of "prepaid card" for
your local postal service
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* cwickert
* cwickert to figure out how/when we can get the final images
* cwickert to create a wiki page for FrOSCon
* cwickert to call for talks and workshops for FrOSCon
* shaiton_ and cwickert to get quotes for tablecloth
* giallu
* giallu to create a wiki page for EuroPython
* gnokii
* gnokii to work on the media artwork with Alexander. make sure we
have the artwork for install media in 32+64 bit (on one DVD)
* rbergeron
* rbergeron to ship case badges and stickers to Sesivany at the Brno
office
* Sesivany
* Sesivany to give Alexander the specs of the media vendor
* rbergeron to ship case badges and stickers to Sesivany at the Brno
office
* **UNASSIGNED**
* everybody try to figure out if there is a kind of "prepaid card" for
your local postal service
12 years
FAmNA Meeting (09 May 2012)
by inode0
======================
#fedora-meeting: FAmNA
======================
Meeting started by inode0 at 01:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famna.2012-05-...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (inode0, 01:00:21)
* Announcements (inode0, 01:02:16)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections (inode0, 01:02:39)
* Tickets (inode0, 01:08:14)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:08:28)
* #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA
general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 (inode0,
01:08:54)
* ACTION: Find the vertical banners before SELF :) (inode0, 01:16:14)
* #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac -
https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 (inode0, 01:18:13)
* ACTION: graphite6 will also place the pen order (graphite6,
01:34:46)
* ACTION: rbergeron to investigate a standup beefy miracle for picture
taking (rbergeron, 01:44:30)
* #32 (SELF Brainstorming) – FAmNA general trac -
https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/32 (inode0, 01:44:58)
* #21 (SouthEast LinuxFest 2012, Jun 8-10, Charlotte, NC) – FAmNA
general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/21 (inode0,
01:45:10)
* Fedora Amateur Radio SIG will be offering Amateur Radio license
exams @ SELF on Sunday, from 10am-1pm (nb, 01:46:32)
* Open Floor (inode0, 01:50:47)
* LINK: http://instagr.am/p/KY2Ebiu99m/ (rbergeron, 01:56:03)
Meeting ended at 02:00:16 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* Find the vertical banners before SELF :)
* graphite6 will also place the pen order
* rbergeron to investigate a standup beefy miracle for picture taking
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* graphite6
* graphite6 will also place the pen order
* rbergeron
* rbergeron to investigate a standup beefy miracle for picture taking
* **UNASSIGNED**
* Find the vertical banners before SELF :)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* inode0 (101)
* rbergeron (89)
* nb (42)
* graphite6 (37)
* chanchito (20)
* herlo (15)
* kk4ewt (14)
* zodbot (12)
* StabbyMc_ (8)
* Sonar_Gal (4)
* award3535 (4)
John
12 years
