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The final Fedora 18 is RC4!
by Jaroslav Reznik 10 Jan '13

10 Jan '13

Hi, at today's supplementary Go/No-Go meeting it was decided to ship RC4 (release candidate) as the final release [1]. #agreed to ship RC4 as final release (with no votes against) The release date is Tuesday, January 15, 2013! Big thanks goes to everyone who helped with this RC3/RC4 testing effort and again to everyone who participated on the whole release. Time for Fedora 18 release parties! Jaroslav [1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-01-10/f18-go-no-go-s…

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i18n meeting summary (2013-01-10)
by Akira TAGOH 10 Jan '13

10 Jan '13

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:01:28 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-10/i18n.2013-01-10-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:01:28) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-01-10 (tagoh_, 06:01:29) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:06:40) * 2013-01-15 Fedora 18 Final Release (tagoh_, 06:06:41) * 2013-01-29 (f19) Feature Submission Deadline (tagoh_, 06:06:41) * Outstanding topics (tagoh_, 06:08:59) * #8: Hinting related issues for Liberation_Fonts_2 on Fedora 18 (pravins) (tagoh_, 06:08:59) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/8 (tagoh_, 06:09:00) * #9: Fedora 19 Feature planning (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:10:25) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/9 (tagoh_, 06:10:25) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Schedule (juhp, 06:16:52) * IDEA: f19 feature: ibus-typing-booster to have predictive text feature in English and n-gram support (tagoh_, 06:26:20) * IDEA: f19 feature: ibus-typing-booster to default for inscript engines (tagoh_, 06:27:53) * New topics (tagoh_, 06:36:20) * #11: ibus xkb layout migration with upgrade (petersen) (tagoh_, 06:36:21) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/11 (tagoh_, 06:36:21) * LINK: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691459 (tagoh_, 07:05:52) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 07:06:38) Meeting ended at 07:10:54 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (81) * juhp (32) * epico (11) * fujiwarat (10) * __anish__ (7) * pravins (7) * zodbot (4) * mfabian (3) * dueno (2) * paragan (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2013-01-07
by Paul Whalen 09 Jan '13

09 Jan '13

Good day all, Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-09/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-09/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-09/fedora-meeting… Paul

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Fedora 18 status is Go, release planned for January 15, 2013
by Jaroslav Reznik 09 Jan '13

09 Jan '13

At the Fedora 18 Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, it was agreed to Go for the Fedora 18. The release is planned for Tuesday, January 15, 2013 [1]. See meeting minutes [2]. It was agreed that RC3 is GOLD for now, with possibility to raise the status of RC4 to be the final release based on outcome of supplemental testing due to the late acceptance of bug #810040 [3]. The final call will happen tomorrow, Thursday, January 10 at 16:00 UTC (11 AM EST, 8 AM PST, 17:00 CET), #fedora-meeting-2. Please help Fedora QA with supplemental testing - the RC2/RC3 test results will be pulled into the RC4 test matrices except the test cases required for RC4 re-verification. An email with more details will follow on Test list. Our lovely Spherical Cow would like to thank you everyone for that hard and sometimes dirty work that lead to it's release. Moooooooo! Jaroslav [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/Schedule [2] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-01-09/f18_final_gono… [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=810040

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FAmNA Meeting (01/08/2013)
by Dan Mashal 09 Jan '13

09 Jan '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAMNA ====================== Meeting started by rbergeron at 02:00:45 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-09/famna.2013-01-09… . Meeting summary --------------- * FADNA (dan408, 02:04:06) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013 (dan408, 02:04:30) * FAMNA will be meeting in 3152 learned (rbergeron, 02:07:08) * meeting room is for FADNA 2013 3152 learned as per ianweller, booked for the entire day (dan408, 02:08:22) * vbanners and event box are en route to the ian (rbergeron, 02:10:26) * well, event box will be en route shortly (rbergeron, 02:10:52) * if you need to ship something to lawrence please contact ianweller on irc or email (rbergeron, 02:11:04) * ACTION: kk4ewt to send MarkDude a mailing label tomorrow (kk4ewt, 02:36:37) * announcements (dan408, 02:42:44) * open floor (dan408, 02:54:05) Meeting ended at 02:57:57 UTC. Action Items ------------ * kk4ewt to send MarkDude a mailing label tomorrow Action Items, by person ----------------------- * kk4ewt * kk4ewt to send MarkDude a mailing label tomorrow * MarkDude * kk4ewt to send MarkDude a mailing label tomorrow * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * dan408 (121) * MarkDude (36) * rbergeron (35) * ianweller (24) * inode0 (23) * kk4ewt (18) * graphite6 (13) * zodbot (10) * nb (9) * herlo (8) * steven_the_aussi (3) * suehle (0) * jduncan (0)

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Docs meeting summary -- 7 January 2013
by Ben Cotton 07 Jan '13

07 Jan '13

Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (bcotton, 14:00:42) * Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better" (bcotton, 14:04:16) * Follow up on last week's action items (bcotton, 14:04:26) * ACTION: bcotton to solicit guide updates on mailing list (bcotton, 14:04:46) * ACTION: jjmcd_ to update the install directory for the Release Notes (bcotton, 14:06:43) * Fedora 18 schedule (bcotton, 14:06:50) * LINK: http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-docs-tasks.html (bcotton, 14:06:58) * F18 final is scheduled for 15 Jan (bcotton, 14:07:17) * Release Notes (bcotton, 14:11:55) * randomuser will publish RN preview on http://people.fedoraproject.org/groups/docs/release-notes/ before updating POTs (bcotton, 14:15:58) * /usr/share/help (bcotton, 14:19:15) * ACTION: pkovar to file a bug report against publican to see if the global change of the install dir is realistic (bcotton, 14:21:24) * the idea is to have both the fedora and gnome docs installed in /usr/share/help (bcotton, 14:22:04) * FUDcon NA (bcotton, 14:44:26) * In Lawrence, KS January 18-20 (bcotton, 14:44:32) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013 (bcotton, 14:44:41) * Outstanding BZ Tickets (bcotton, 14:52:42) * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (bcotton, 14:52:50) * open floor discussion (bcotton, 14:55:59) * HELP: Release Annoucemment still needs love (bcotton, 14:56:54) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_announcement (zoglesby, 14:57:07) Meeting ended at 14:59:26 UTC. Action Items ------------ * bcotton to solicit guide updates on mailing list * jjmcd_ to update the install directory for the Release Notes * pkovar to file a bug report against publican to see if the global change of the install dir is realistic Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bcotton * bcotton to solicit guide updates on mailing list * jjmcd_ * jjmcd_ to update the install directory for the Release Notes * pkovar * pkovar to file a bug report against publican to see if the global change of the install dir is realistic * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bcotton (54) * jjmcd_ (38) * pkovar (37) * randomuser (12) * zoglesby (12) * jreznik (7) * zodbot (4) * jsmith (2) * shaiton (1) * lnovich (1) * Capesteve (1) Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-07/fedora_docs.2013… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-07/fedora_docs.2013… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-07/fedora_docs.2013… -- Ben Cotton Fedora Docs Leader

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APAC 5th of Jan, 2012 meeting minutes
by Truong Anh Tuan 05 Jan '13

05 Jan '13

Dear ambassador fellows, <zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-05/apac_2013-01-05.… <zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-05/apac_2013-01-05.… <zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-05/apac_2013-01-05.… Meeting started by dramsey at 04:00:06 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-01-05#Agenda (dramsey, 04:00:28) News from FAmSCo (dramsey, 04:05:23) http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-01-03/famsco.2013-01… (tuanta, 04:17:52) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget/Vietnam_Budget_FY2014 (tuanta, 04:23:59) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget/Philippines_Budget_P… (magie, 04:54:56) AGREED: ticket #54 for "Budget Fedora 18 Release Party - Malang, Indonesia" approved (tuanta, 05:14:37) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement (tuanta, 05:16:03) Meeting ended at 05:20:44 UTC (full logs). Action items (none) People present (lines said) tuanta (105) dramsey (64) azneita (50) shaon (28) zodbot (20) boncOS (16) magie (8) gx260a (8) aolsystems (7) born2linux (5) MavJS (2) dona (1) magie1 (0) born2linux1 (0) FranciscoD (0)

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Fedora 18 Final to slip by one week
by Jaroslav Reznik 03 Jan '13

03 Jan '13

Today at Go/No-Go meeting it was decided to slip Fedora 18 release by one week due to unresolved blocker bugs [1]. See the meeting minutes [2] for more details. As a result, Fedora 18 will be pushed out by one week with final release on 2013-01-15. Check current schedule [3]. The next Go/No-Go meeting is on Wednesday, Jan 09. Time will be announced on Monday. Please, help us with resolving currently accepted blocker bugs and review proposed bugs reported to your components. Thanks Jaroslav [1] http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/18/final/buglist [2] http://bit.ly/VzpMXH [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/Schedule ============================================= #fedora-meeting-1: F18 Final Go/No-Go meeting ============================================= Meeting started by jreznik at 17:01:20 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-03/f18_final_gono… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (jreznik, 17:01:48) * Purpose of this meeting (jreznik, 17:07:00) * Purpose of this meeting is to see whether or not F18 Final is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria. (jreznik, 17:07:16) * This is determined in a few ways: (jreznik, 17:07:23) * No remaining blocker bugs (jreznik, 17:07:30) * Test matrices for Final are fully completed (jreznik, 17:07:37) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/18/final/buglist (jreznik, 17:07:44) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (jreznik, 17:07:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test (jreznik, 17:07:55) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test (jreznik, 17:08:00) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test (jreznik, 17:08:05) * agenda (jreznik, 17:08:59) * current status (jreznik, 17:12:40) * Fedora 18 Final Test Compose (TC4) is available, no release candidate (RC) yet (jreznik, 17:13:44) * currently 7 blocker bugs are unresolved (not in ON_QA/VERIFIED/CLOSED state) based on accepted blocker bug list (jreznik, 17:14:56) * 3 proposed blockers (minus the KDE tracking one) (jreznik, 17:15:37) * "mini" review of accepted/proposed blocker bugs (jreznik, 17:17:56) * (891443) crash when reusing existing Btrfs volume (adamw, 17:20:20) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891443 (adamw, 17:20:20) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (adamw, 17:20:20) * AGREED: 891443 is accepted as a blocker per criterion "The installer's custom partitioning mode must be capable of the following: Creating, destroying and assigning mount points to partitions of any specified size using most commonly-used filesystem types" (adamw, 17:30:01) * (881624) U.S. keyboard layout used for encryption passphrase entry during fedup second phase (adamw, 17:30:12) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=881624 (adamw, 17:30:12) * Proposed Blocker, fedup, NEW (adamw, 17:30:12) * AGREED: taking into consideration the general tenor of the wider devel@ discussion, the fact that this is likely documentable and workaroundable and that it could well be fixed with an update to f17's fedup, 881624 is rejected as a blocker (adamw, 17:48:16) * (889699) systemd drops X11 keyboard layout settings during upgrade (adamw, 17:49:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889699 (adamw, 17:49:01) * Proposed Blocker, systemd, ASSIGNED (adamw, 17:49:01) * AGREED: 889699 is accepted as a blocker per criterion "...it must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with that package set installed, using any officially recommended upgrade mechanisms. The upgraded system must meet all release criteria." in the case of non-U.S. keymaps (adamw, 18:20:21) * (888089) ValueError: A RAID0 set requires at least 2 members (adamw, 18:24:28) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=888089 (adamw, 18:24:28) * Accepted Blocker, anaconda, POST (adamw, 18:24:28) * this is now committed and awaiting a new anaconda build / compose / test cycle (adamw, 18:26:51) * (832510) vnc server starts before the network (adamw, 18:26:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832510 (adamw, 18:26:56) * Accepted Blocker, anaconda, NEW (adamw, 18:26:57) * developer (rvykydal) is on PTO this week, bcl is trying to take a look on the issue (jreznik, 18:29:22) * (877658) [i18n] some storage-related error messages not marked for translation: "Not enough free space on disks for automatic partitioning" (adamw, 18:29:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877658 (adamw, 18:29:38) * Accepted Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED (adamw, 18:29:38) * this just needs an anaconda rebuild, should be fixed with a new build (adamw, 18:32:16) * (890577) drop to dracut shell if /usr is on a btrfs subvol (adamw, 18:32:26) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=890577 (adamw, 18:32:26) * Accepted Blocker, dracut, ON_QA (adamw, 18:32:27) * we need to do a TC5/RC1 with the updated dracut to fix and test this (adamw, 18:39:06) * (883075) fedup upgrading is too quiet (adamw, 18:39:37) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=883075 (adamw, 18:39:37) * Accepted Blocker, fedup-dracut, MODIFIED (adamw, 18:39:37) * this either needs some kind of action to build a new upgrade.img or can be considered done with tc4, need to clarify with tflink (adamw, 18:41:47) * (875846) [i18n] "ON" and "OFF" not translated in switches on DVD (gtk30.mo not on DVD) (adamw, 18:41:57) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875846 (adamw, 18:41:57) * Accepted Blocker, lorax, ASSIGNED (adamw, 18:41:57) * this just needs a re-spin with new lorax (adamw, 18:43:21) * (889562) Console keymap set to "us" if you install with a keymap not provided by systemd-localed (adamw, 18:43:27) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 (adamw, 18:43:27) * Accepted Blocker, systemd, NEW (adamw, 18:43:28) * plan here is to try and fix up the most prominent missing conversions in systemd's kbd-model-map where corresponding console keymaps are actually available (adamw, 18:49:31) * (876218) pxeboot/netinst + nfsiso repo = hang on reboot (adamw, 18:51:36) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876218 (adamw, 18:51:36) * Accepted Blocker, systemd, ASSIGNED (adamw, 18:51:36) * we still seem to be playing hot potato between anaconda, systemd and nfs developers here. poettering believes it is an anaconda bug (adamw, 18:56:47) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876218#c17 is relevant here. we *did* waive a similar bug for f17 final. qa in general thought that was a fudge too far. (adamw, 19:05:04) * ball is in development team's court, we need anaconda, systemd and nfs folks to agree on a plan and just fix the damn thing, jreznik and rbergeron please supervise (adamw, 19:15:18) * (891489) anaconda cannot find matching keyboard layouts for several languages, sets them to U.S. English (adamw, 19:15:48) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891489 (adamw, 19:15:48) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, POST (adamw, 19:15:48) * AGREED: 891489 is accepted as NTH: it's a safe improvement to language->keymap mapping in anaconda which is desirable for non-english installs (adamw, 19:18:56) * (891487) Anaconda keyboard layout list is missing many offered by GNOME, including some associated with languages for which we offer a translation (adamw, 19:19:03) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891487 (adamw, 19:19:03) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, NEW (adamw, 19:19:03) * AGREED: 891487 is accepted as NTH as a potential improvement in keymap availability, we may choose not to take the change if it is too big (adamw, 19:22:03) * (855250) Change the default filtering for Quick and Cangjie (adamw, 19:23:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855250 (adamw, 19:23:00) * Proposed NTH, ibus-table-chinese, ASSIGNED (adamw, 19:23:00) * AGREED: 855250 accepted as NTH, improves default input config for Hong Kong users, safe change that does not affect anything else (adamw, 19:24:17) * (854557) Keyboard layout testing doesn't work as expected and lacks indication of the active layout (adamw, 19:24:27) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=854557 (adamw, 19:24:27) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, MODIFIED (adamw, 19:24:27) * AGREED: 854557 is rejected as NTH as the fix just clarifies the input dialog a bit, it doesn't improve the interface, and would necessitate new translations (adamw, 19:28:17) * go/no-go (jreznik, 19:28:57) * there's no RC build, there are outstanding accepted blockers, and test coverage is incomplete. so in accordance with policies, QA votes no-go (jreznik, 19:30:05) * AGREED: to no-go (jreznik, 19:31:19) * AGREED: to slip one week with release date on Tue 2012-01-15 and Go/No-Go meeting on Wed 2012-01-09 (jreznik, 20:04:42) * the possibility of another Fri Go/No-Go will be discussed in case of problems, with possibility to release on Thu 2012-01-17 (jreznik, 20:05:29) Meeting ended at 20:09:19 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * adamw (264) * jreznik (182) * nirik (102) * rbergeron (73) * poettering (61) * drago01_ (26) * drago01 (17) * dgilmore (17) * zodbot (7) * Martix (4) * kmacleod (4) * k0Do (4) * bcl (3) * rtcm (3) * dingtav (3) * jwb (3) * satellit (2) * j_dulaney (1) * BobLfoot (1) * tuanta (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-01-03)
by Kevin Fenzi 03 Jan '13

03 Jan '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-01-03) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-03/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome to the new bactun (nirik, 19:00:02) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:01:41) * Freeze reminder (nirik, 19:05:26) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:07:53) * Fudcon (nirik, 19:09:43) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_infrastructure_tasks_2013 (nirik, 19:10:07) * Upcoming items (nirik, 19:32:30) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:32:34) * 2012-12-11 to 2013-01-08 F18 Final Freeze (nirik, 19:32:34) * 2012-01-05 PHX2 outage. (nirik, 19:32:34) * 2013-01-08 F18 release. (nirik, 19:32:34) * 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence (nirik, 19:32:35) * 2013-01-29 f19 feature submission deadline. (nirik, 19:32:36) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:33:23) Meeting ended at 19:49:15 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (96) * skvidal (69) * dgilmore (20) * smooge (11) * threebean (9) * relrod (6) * lmacken (5) * zodbot (4) * _xtrashot_ (4) * Adran (4) * rdesanno (3) * bconoboy (3) * pjones (2) * spot (1) * puiterwijk (1) * fchiulli (1) * abadger1999 (0) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-01-03) 19:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 3 19:00:01 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:02 <nirik> #topic welcome to the new bactun 19:00:02 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:13 <skvidal> hi 19:00:13 <nirik> who's around for a nice infra meeting? :) 19:00:21 * skvidal is 19:00:21 <dgilmore> hola 19:00:26 * puiterwijk is 19:00:31 <rdesanno> here! 19:00:40 <_xtrashot_> hello 19:00:48 <fchiulli> fchiulli is listening in 19:01:06 * lmacken 19:01:11 * threebean threebean threebean 19:01:41 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:01:41 <skvidal> threebean: shouldn't that just be beanbeanbean? 19:01:45 <nirik> ha. 19:01:48 <threebean> point taken 19:02:03 * relrod is here 19:02:03 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves? or have questions/comments? 19:02:06 <pjones> skvidal: some irc networks have name character limits. sometimes it's nice to pick a shorter version. 19:02:12 <pjones> (for consistency) 19:02:24 <_xtrashot_> Hi all! I'm xtrashot ( or alex ), I come from a solaris background, I run my own linux server @home and I would like to lend a hand to fedora on the sysadmin side of the things. 19:02:25 <nirik> it could also be 'bean^3' ? 19:02:36 <nirik> _xtrashot_: welcome! 19:02:53 <_xtrashot_> thanks nirik! 19:03:01 <nirik> _xtrashot_: see me after the meeting over in #fedora-admin and we can get you added to our apprentice group and point you to things to look at. 19:03:04 <rdesanno> Hi. My name is Rob and I am a Linux admin here trying to lend a hand where possible too 19:03:10 <Adran> hi 19:03:13 <nirik> welcome rdesanno also. :) 19:04:02 <nirik> and Adran. 19:04:10 <Adran> Hi nirik! 19:04:32 <nirik> happy to help point you all to resources after the meeting... and do feel free to chime in with questions in the meeting here, or #fedora-admin at any point. 19:04:41 <_xtrashot_> thanks. will do 19:04:46 <rdesanno> Will do and thanks! Looking forward to helping 19:04:49 <Adran> Will do! 19:05:02 <nirik> great. Glad to see new folks. ;) 19:05:24 <nirik> mixing things up a bit... lets mention the freeze first: 19:05:26 <nirik> #topic Freeze reminder 19:05:37 <nirik> we are still in final freeze until f18 goes out the door. 19:05:47 * skvidal has noticed - it's REALLY cold in here! 19:05:53 <nirik> there's a go/no-go meeting in #fedora-meeting-1, but it looks like it will be no-go. ;) 19:06:09 <smooge> well I expected as such since there isn't an RC yet 19:06:10 <skvidal> alright! fedora 18 during fudcon? 19:06:16 <skvidal> or maybe after? 19:06:25 <nirik> just before probibly... 19:06:34 <smooge> I am voting for 2018 19:06:35 <nirik> or we might go for just a few days slip this time. 19:06:45 <smooge> we can then do once per year releases afterwords 19:06:51 <nirik> anyhow, the upshot is that we are frozen, don't make any bug changes without approvals, etc. 19:07:12 <nirik> I also have filed out release tickets... 19:07:29 <nirik> most of which need something to stage before we can do anything. :) 19:07:53 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:08:04 <nirik> ok, any applications status or things to note? 19:08:17 <nirik> given the holidays and freeze, I suspect not much... 19:08:29 <nirik> do we have anything we want to look at setting up to demo at fudcon? 19:08:34 <skvidal> yes 19:08:46 <skvidal> I have 3 talks in mind for fudcon 19:09:01 <skvidal> 1. private cloud 19:09:02 <skvidal> 2. ansible 19:09:04 <skvidal> 3. copr 19:09:43 <nirik> #topic Fudcon 19:09:50 <nirik> might as well go to the fudcon topic. ;) 19:09:53 <threebean> cool :) 19:09:55 <skvidal> <shrug> 19:10:07 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_infrastructure_tasks_2013 19:10:16 <nirik> is an ideas container/setup for our fudcon plans. 19:10:26 <nirik> I added some more things there too. 19:10:39 <nirik> how do we want to try and organize things? 19:10:53 <skvidal> I suspect to meet during one of the hackfest times? 19:10:57 <skvidal> and in the evenings 19:11:19 <nirik> I'm fine with a generic Infrastructure hackfest and try and cover a bunch of things that need high BW, but might be nice to have a checklist of things we should try and address. 19:11:54 <skvidal> I see the bits you've added 19:12:06 <skvidal> some of those have been on the desired-list for quite a while 19:12:10 <nirik> yeah. 19:12:27 <nirik> never enough hours in the day. 19:12:53 <skvidal> indeed 19:13:00 <skvidal> and some of them are not overly difficult 19:13:08 <skvidal> but they involve a bunch of people and moving parts 19:13:16 <skvidal> so the inertia is high (fedorahosted as an example) 19:13:23 <skvidal> something maybe for fudcon 19:13:23 <nirik> yep. 19:13:26 <skvidal> maybe for before 19:13:39 <skvidal> is to go through all the [cr]apps we're supporting 19:13:43 <skvidal> and get rid of those unused 19:13:56 <skvidal> we killed off the old fedora community before the break 19:13:58 <skvidal> and that was great 19:14:05 <dgilmore> id like to talk about replacing the ca infrastructure 19:14:05 <skvidal> but I have an item on my list to ask about insight now 19:14:22 <skvidal> dgilmore: what ca infrastructure? it's just easy-pki :) 19:14:24 <nirik> so, the general fudcon setup is barcamp first day... then hackfests next two 19:14:35 <dgilmore> skvidal: what we use for koji and users certs 19:14:47 <skvidal> dgilmore: ah, gotcha 19:14:51 <dgilmore> skvidal: its some make files 19:14:54 <skvidal> nod 19:14:58 <dgilmore> and a python script 19:15:37 <nirik> dgilmore: what would you like to change it to? 19:15:52 <dgilmore> nirik: im thinking dogtag 19:16:16 <nirik> that seems like a lot of overhead... 19:16:16 <skvidal> dgilmore: what's the selling point? 19:16:26 <nirik> though I admit I haven't looked at it recently 19:16:54 <dgilmore> skvidal: that we could have two nodes, and fas can talk to it over the network, so all fas boxes could handle cert requests, 19:17:04 <dgilmore> eliminate spof 19:17:37 <dgilmore> we would also not have a static crl and have real time checking on revoked certs 19:17:49 <nirik> could nfs/gluster mount also fix that? 19:18:11 <dgilmore> nirik: not without major locking checking 19:18:25 <dgilmore> and it still doesnt give us real time checking 19:18:39 <nirik> well, we can discuss it. dogtag has always seemed very heavy to me... 19:18:41 <dgilmore> not that its a huge deal to fetch the crl every hour 19:18:55 <dgilmore> nirik: maybe its a bit too heavy for us 19:19:23 <nirik> we can see what makes sense... 19:19:45 <dgilmore> nirik: skvidal: id like a config management talk also 19:19:54 <dgilmore> so we can go over things we have changed 19:19:58 <skvidal> dgilmore: that's the ansible talk 19:20:06 <nirik> yeah... 19:20:07 <dgilmore> id like to get arm setup exactly the same as primary 19:20:20 <skvidal> and I think it's less about what's changeD and more about what is still changing 19:20:29 <skvidal> but the point is still the same 19:20:31 <dgilmore> skvidal: sure 19:20:52 * nirik wonders if we should try and have a generic '2013 planning for infra' barcamp session... but that sounds boring. Perhaps we just try and do that at the start of hackfests. 19:21:41 <nirik> anyone else looking at doing barcamp sessions? 19:21:59 <threebean> Hmm.. I'd like to do a fedmsg talk; how should I aim it? More towards what's been done or more towards where things should go? 19:22:01 <lmacken> fedmsg session! 19:22:12 <lmacken> both 19:22:15 <nirik> yeah... 19:22:27 <nirik> go over whats been done and talk some about upcoming? 19:22:33 <threebean> cool, sure. 19:23:03 <nirik> lmacken: any chance we could stand up a mockup of bodhi 2.0 for people to look at? or still too early? 19:23:54 <lmacken> nirik: might be too early for that, but hopefully a bodhi2 hackfest will happen 19:24:09 <nirik> ok. 19:25:03 * nirik might pitch a 'make rawhide nicer to use' session, but thats not really much infra related. ;) 19:25:28 <dgilmore> nirik: maybe i could run a using enterprise arm hardware session 19:25:35 <nirik> I'd also like us to see if we can decide a fad topic... kock something out in 2013 thats difficult to get done remote. 19:25:37 <dgilmore> not sure what the iterest would be 19:26:18 <nirik> dgilmore: yeah. I bet there will be a few arm sessions... it would be cool if we could show off some server arm stuff (if even only remote) 19:26:30 <bconoboy> nirik: we expect to have an arm server on site 19:27:00 <nirik> bconoboy: sweet. ;) 19:27:09 <bconoboy> arm barcamp? 19:27:18 <skvidal> barmcamp? 19:27:20 <skvidal> no sorry 19:27:23 <nirik> :) 19:27:43 <nirik> ok, so, any folks doing barcamp sessions, please do go add them to the fudcon page now... 19:27:49 <dgilmore> nirik: hopefully we can show some stuff off 19:27:55 * bconoboy does so 19:28:21 <nirik> I will add a infra hackfest for sat/sun and we can use the first part of sat to try and plan out what we want to try and get done and pull in anyone we need for those things. 19:28:31 <nirik> unless we can plan that in advance? 19:28:59 * nirik thinks it might be better higher BW 19:29:11 <skvidal> nod 19:29:26 <nirik> I'll try and organize a bit more if I can... 19:29:31 <skvidal> theoreticaly we should have everyone nearby-ish to put a bullet in insight* 19:29:46 <skvidal> do we have anything else on our 'should die' list? 19:30:05 <nirik> yeah, do we want to mail people now about that? I guess lists and asrob and stickster? 19:30:10 * skvidal hmms - maybe I should check last login on all systems by a user other than root 19:31:37 <nirik> I don't have anything on that list off hand... 19:32:02 <nirik> any other fudcon business? 19:32:30 <nirik> #topic Upcoming items 19:32:34 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:32:34 <nirik> #info 2012-12-11 to 2013-01-08 F18 Final Freeze 19:32:34 <nirik> #info 2012-01-05 PHX2 outage. 19:32:34 <nirik> #info 2013-01-08 F18 release. 19:32:35 <nirik> #info 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence 19:32:36 <nirik> #info 2013-01-29 f19 feature submission deadline. 19:32:46 <nirik> we have a phx2 network outage this weekend. 19:32:53 <nirik> it's supposed to be very short, but we will see. 19:33:02 <smooge> I will be around for it 19:33:10 * relrod has a note in his calendar to nuke proxy01 from dns a few hours ahead of time. 19:33:14 * nirik will be too. 19:33:23 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:33:31 <nirik> any general topics or questions? 19:34:03 <skvidal> so 19:34:07 <skvidal> about our web apps/etc 19:34:27 <skvidal> I was talking with nirik yesterday about thinking of ways of making our apps easier to debug when things go wrong 19:34:49 <skvidal> as it is right now we end up trying to figure out if an app is misbehaving, being hit too much from the outside or if it is being impacted by SOMETHING ELSE 19:35:04 <skvidal> and it means a lot of our fixes are somewhat imprecise (restart httpd) 19:35:25 <skvidal> I was debating some ways of dealing with that - it's a subject I suggested to discuss at fudcon 19:35:27 <nirik> I think moving to a model of 'one app per virtual' might be good for that. 19:35:35 <smooge> I like that one 19:35:37 <skvidal> but I wanted to toss it out here to see if anyone wanted to scream murder 19:35:41 <nirik> but containers, etc might also work, not sure. 19:36:12 <smooge> I remember we wanted to look at that back a couple of fudcons ago but ran into "how will we manage a wave of them" 19:36:25 <skvidal> I think we know how to manage them 19:36:27 <smooge> and now we have the answer.. nirikseth cloud 19:36:37 <threebean> not murder.. but.. the same problem might be solved just as well by fixing our logging setup instead. 19:36:37 <smooge> and ansible 19:36:45 <skvidal> right.... so.. 19:36:53 <skvidal> a consideration, definitely. 19:37:50 <smooge> threebean, well one of the issues we run into is that we have 8 different apps on one box.. and it has turned into that A impacts B but B complains out because it is a delicate flower of an app. then C and D get into a fight and E goes on marxist strike. 19:38:11 <nirik> well, A OOMs apache, and BCDE all also die. 19:38:33 * threebean nods 19:38:49 <threebean> More separation is better, then. :) 19:39:13 <nirik> part of this issue is the roles our smaller sites play. 19:39:17 <smooge> then I figure logging will help on the A needs B but B doesn't want to play with A without C 19:39:52 <nirik> I think on the new apps we have deployed to their own app servers it's worked out ok... packages, ask, paste... 19:40:02 <nirik> but some of the 'core' ones might be different 19:41:11 <skvidal> anyway - I just wanted to float it 19:41:21 <skvidal> it also might have the advantage of letting us get to know the apps a bit better 19:41:24 <relrod> well it's the same thing with the db servers, many app dbs per server -- we started solving that by moving the fas one separate of the others, I guess 19:41:36 <skvidal> since we'd spend less time learning how the apps interact w/each other 19:41:39 <skvidal> and more how they act on their own 19:41:57 <skvidal> relrod: agreed - but same thing -we've moved some apps with special db needs to their own isolation 19:42:17 <skvidal> relrod: fas was just moved to keep from having a looping SPOF in the shape of the fas and db servers 19:42:33 <nirik> right, and can avoid stack issues like TG1 / TG2 / pyramid in the same app server... 19:42:46 <nirik> anyhow, yeah, I think it's a good plan to discuss more at fudcon 19:43:01 <relrod> agreed 19:43:09 <skvidal> okay cool 19:43:10 <skvidal> thanks! 19:44:23 <skvidal> that's all I had 19:44:30 <skvidal> other than to say 19:44:31 <skvidal> die insight 19:44:32 <skvidal> die 19:44:36 <skvidal> unless it is being used 19:44:38 <skvidal> then that's great 19:45:54 <nirik> ha. ;) 19:46:00 <nirik> it's really not 19:46:07 <nirik> anyhow... 19:46:12 <nirik> anything else general of note? 19:46:28 <nirik> or shall we close out and go back to our frozen existance? 19:46:29 <smooge> not for me 19:46:49 <threebean> yeah, good here. I'm pumped for fudcon 19:47:20 <relrod> threebean: yeah, should be fun :) 19:47:50 <nirik> yeah, fudcons are always great. 19:48:10 <Adran> I hear they are fun. Never been my self though. :\ 19:48:10 * skvidal wonders if spot is going to have a copy of cards against humanity for boardgames 19:48:25 * nirik needs to come up with an agenda tho of what he wants to get done. otherwise it's very easy to get sidetracked into doing other things. ;) 19:48:26 <spot> skvidal: yep. plus expansion pack 1. 19:48:28 <skvidal> I played it over the break and.... well let's just say I'm well suited to the game 19:48:31 <skvidal> spot: ooooo 19:48:39 <nirik> yeah, it's an awesome game. :) 19:48:45 <relrod> :D 19:48:50 <skvidal> it's a horrible game for terrible people 19:48:56 <lmacken> whoa, nice. 19:48:56 <skvidal> like mytself 19:49:05 <nirik> heh. :) 19:49:11 <nirik> ok, thanks everyone... 19:49:15 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2013-01-03)
by Kevin Fenzi 03 Jan '13

03 Jan '13

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2013-01-03) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 18:01:35 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-03/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 18:01:36) * Week in review (nirik, 18:03:10) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 18:03:10) * ticket #135 Ban with wrong reason (nirik, 18:05:48) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/135 (nirik, 18:05:49) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:13:20) Meeting ended at 18:15:16 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (29) * BobJensen (17) * Khaytsus (10) * Southern_Gentlem (5) * zodbot (3) * N3LRX (2) * inode0 (1) -- 18:01:35 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-01-03) 18:01:35 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 3 18:01:35 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:35 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:36 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 18:01:36 <nirik> #topic init process 18:01:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 18:01:42 <nirik> inode0: no, the irc support sig one. ;) 18:01:55 * nirik got distracted. 18:02:00 <inode0> pfft, nirik is in too many meetings at the same time :) 18:02:04 * N3LRX 18:02:25 <BobJensen> inode0: I don't attend meetings that can't be held in the non-populated channels 18:02:37 <BobJensen> errr 18:02:42 <BobJensen> inode0: I don't attend meetings that can't be held in the populated channels 18:02:44 <nirik> anyhow, this one should be pretty short. ;) 18:02:44 * Khaytsus 18:03:10 <nirik> #topic Week in review 18:03:10 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 18:03:20 <BobJensen> Still no stats 18:03:21 * nirik hasn't looked to see if stats are back yet. ;) 18:03:26 <nirik> ok, no worries. 18:03:44 <nirik> anything anyone would like to note from the previous few weeks? any outstanding common issues people are hitting, etc? 18:04:24 <BobJensen> Nope, just the normal new release cruft 18:04:25 <nirik> it's been pretty normal from what I can see... 18:04:44 <BobJensen> "OMG I need to install F18b" 18:05:14 <Khaytsus> Can I install f18 apps on fc3? 18:05:28 <nirik> Khaytsus: sure, go for it! 18:05:35 <Khaytsus> :-) 18:05:48 <nirik> #topic ticket #135 Ban with wrong reason 18:05:49 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/135 18:06:00 <nirik> I'm not sure I understand the reporter here... 18:06:07 <nirik> I agree that a warning would have been nice. 18:06:44 <BobJensen> nirik: support in the channel has been getting bad again 18:06:56 <nirik> yeah, I understand... 18:07:06 <nirik> but this guy seemed like they were new and had no idea... 18:07:08 <BobJensen> nirik: I was needing to warn people every day almost 18:07:28 <BobJensen> I have not needed to warn anyone since this ban 18:07:44 <N3LRX> The topic says no support and lists the channel faq. 18:07:46 <Khaytsus> quick on the draw there.. 18:07:55 <BobJensen> Note: the users were not kicked, I just banned so essentially only a mute 18:08:16 <nirik> sure. 18:08:42 <BobJensen> I've attempted to have a dialog with both the parties to no avail. 18:08:45 <Khaytsus> If not Fedora support, where should users go to discuss things? 18:08:54 <nirik> anyhow, I'd say close with thanks and ask if they want to discuss it more they show up to a meeting or mail the list for further discussion. 18:09:30 <Southern_Gentlem> +1 18:09:41 <BobJensen> Khaytsus: Being off topic for #fedora, in this case it was not, automatically makes it on topic for -social? 18:09:54 <Khaytsus> user want asking for support only offering some, yes? 18:10:18 <Khaytsus> It was USING Fedora.. 18:10:23 <BobJensen> Khaytsus: Loaded question, slippery slope, baiting 18:10:30 <nirik> I would say that discussion was fine for #fedora... 18:10:41 <Khaytsus> Use wasnt asking, only offering 18:10:50 <BobJensen> nirik: it should have been yes 18:10:52 * Khaytsus cant type on tablet 18:11:09 <Southern_Gentlem> use the other finger 18:11:13 <BobJensen> #fedora-social exists because some felt we were too friendly in #fedora 18:11:28 <BobJensen> So deal with it. 18:12:01 <Southern_Gentlem> next ? 18:12:07 <Khaytsus> IMO users asking for support are off topic but incidental support shouldn't be a big deal 18:12:11 <nirik> it's a balance... not some kind of absolute thing 18:12:11 <BobJensen> I am more than happy to lock the #fedora-social door and move everything back to #fedora 18:12:46 * nirik personally thinks the current setup has been working reasonably well 18:13:06 <Southern_Gentlem> next? 18:13:20 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:13:23 <nirik> anything for open floor 18:14:37 <Southern_Gentlem> Happy New Year (gone to get Lunch) 18:15:08 <nirik> heh. 18:15:14 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. 18:15:16 <nirik> #endmeeting

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