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cyberpear's meeting titled "Ansible Lockdown Working Group" ended in #ansible-lockdown

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Notification time stamped 2019-05-16 16:28:31 UTC ================================================= #ansible-lockdown: Ansible Lockdown Working Group ================================================= Meeting started by cyberpear at 16:00:50 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-lockdown/2019-05-16/ansible_loc... . Meeting summary --------------- * TMOUT (cyberpear, 16:09:20) * Open Floor (cyberpear, 16:19:18) * ACTION: cyberpear to update V2R3 ticket with needed changes (cyberpear, 16:26:19) Meeting ended at 16:28:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ * cyberpear to update V2R3 ticket with needed changes Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cyberpear * cyberpear to update V2R3 ticket with needed changes * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cyberpear (39) * shepdelacreme (18) * zodbot (6) * bcoca (1) * defionscode (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-lockdown/2019-05-16/ansible_loc... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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smooge's meeting titled "Infrastructure (2019-05-15)" ended in #fedora-meeting-1

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Notification time stamped 2019-05-16 15:53:42 UTC ============================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Infrastructure (2019-05-15) ============================================== Meeting started by smooge at 15:02:54 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-05-16/infrastruct... . Meeting summary --------------- * aloha (smooge, 15:02:54) * New folks introductions (smooge, 15:04:49) * This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves (smooge, 15:04:49) * Getting Started Guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted (smooge, 15:04:49) * announcements and information (smooge, 15:07:27) * Zombieland reboots of important servers have been done. (smooge, 15:07:28) * bodhi-4.0.0 beta is in staging. Please test because we ship soon (smooge, 15:07:28) * only N days until F31 freeze (smooge, 15:07:28) * bowlofeggs will be going on extended leave in June (smooge, 15:07:28) * nirik will be on leave from 2019-06-03 to 2019-06-07 (smooge, 15:07:29) * many people will be at a community platform engineering f2f 2019-06-10 to 14 (smooge, 15:07:30) * Another blogpost about release-monitoring.org is published (https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/stories-from-the-amazing-world-of...) - mkonecny (smooge, 15:07:32) * FAS2 has been moved to openshift (puiterwijk) (smooge, 15:07:35) * Ipsilon has been moved to openshift (puiterwijk) (smooge, 15:07:37) * community openshift is progressing (smooge, 15:07:39) * next reboot cycle? (smooge, 15:07:43) * new getfedora.org has been deployed. Thank you to puiterwijk for deployment help (relrod, 15:09:14) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/31/Schedule (nirik, 15:11:26) * flocktofedora is aug 2nd-5th (nirik, 15:12:48) * LINK: https://flocktofedora.org/ (nirik, 15:13:16) * Oncall (smooge, 15:20:08) * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall (smooge, 15:20:09) * nirik is on call from 2019-05-09 -> 2019-05-16 (smooge, 15:20:09) * relrod is on call from 2019-05-16 -> 2019-05-23 (smooge, 15:20:09) * smooge is on call from 2019-05-23 -> 2019-05-30 (smooge, 15:20:09) * ?????? is on call from 2019-05-30 -> 2019-06-06 (smooge, 15:20:10) * no one is on call from 2019-06-06 -> 2019-06-20 (smooge, 15:20:11) * ?????? is on call from 2019-06-20 -> 2019-06-27 (smooge, 15:20:15) * Summary of last week: (from nirik ) (smooge, 15:20:17) * Monitoring discussion (smooge, 15:29:40) * https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios (smooge, 15:29:40) * Go over existing out items and fix (smooge, 15:29:40) * Tickets discussion (smooge, 15:37:52) * https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/report/Meetings%20ticket (smooge, 15:37:52) * Open Floor (smooge, 15:45:10) Meeting ended at 15:53:42 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * smooge (86) * nirik (56) * rpbarlow (31) * zodbot (12) * mkonecny (12) * pingou (11) * relrod (8) * braydon_kains (4) * clime (2) * puiterwijk (1) * bcotton (1) * tflink (1) * cverna (0) * bowlofeggs (0) * mizdebsk (0) * abompard (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-05-16/infrastruct... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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bcoca's meeting titled "ansible core public irc meeting" ended in #ansible-meeting

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Notification time stamped 2019-05-16 15:41:12 UTC ================================================= #ansible-meeting: ansible core public irc meeting ================================================= Meeting started by bcoca at 15:07:13 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-meeting/2019-05-16/ansible_core... . Meeting summary --------------- * new lvm module (bcoca, 15:08:11) * LINK: https://github.com/japokorn/ansible/tree/devel-blockdev/lib/ansible/modul... (bcoca, 15:08:17) * LINK: https://github.com/japokorn/ansible/blob/devel-blockdev/lib/ansible/plugi... (bcoca, 15:08:48) * open floor (bcoca, 15:29:38) Meeting ended at 15:41:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bcoca (31) * japokorn (13) * sivel (11) * shertel (10) * sdoran (9) * zodbot (5) * dlehman (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-meeting/2019-05-16/ansible_core... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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nitzmahone's meeting titled "Ansible Azure Working Group" ended in #ansible-azure

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Notification time stamped 2019-05-16 00:18:13 UTC =========================================== #ansible-azure: Ansible Azure Working Group =========================================== Meeting started by nitzmahone at 00:00:08 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-azure/2019-05-16/ansible_azure_... . Meeting summary --------------- * LINK: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/55700 (yungezz, 00:05:42) Meeting ended at 00:18:13 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nitzmahone (27) * yungezz (19) * zikalino826544 (13) * jborean93 (8) * zodbot (6) * yuwei (3) * MyronFanQiu (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-azure/2019-05-16/ansible_azure_... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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decentral1se's meeting titled "Ansible Molecule Working Group" ended in #ansible-molecule

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Notification time stamped 2019-05-15 19:58:00 UTC ================================================= #ansible-molecule: Ansible Molecule Working Group ================================================= Meeting started by decentral1se at 19:05:41 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-molecule/2019-05-15/ansible_mol... . Meeting summary --------------- * Agenda https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/427 (decentral1se, 19:09:45) * LINK: https://molecule.readthedocs.io/en/master/configuration.html#id22 (fabianvf, 19:11:41) * New Ansible verifier (decentral1se, 19:11:54) * https://github.com/ansible/molecule/issues/2013#issuecomment-488392662 (decentral1se, 19:12:33) * LINK: https://github.com/ansible/molecule/issues/2013#issuecomment-492790060 (decentral1se, 19:23:45) * molecule release schedule (decentral1se, 19:25:50) * https://github.com/ansible/molecule/issues/2042 (decentral1se, 19:31:03) * https://github.com/ansible/molecule/issues/2012 (decentral1se, 19:32:11) * LINK: https://github.com/fabianvf/game-server-operator/blob/master/molecule/def... (fabianvf, 19:49:42) * LINK: https://github.com/fabianvf/game-server-operator/blob/master/molecule/def... (fabianvf, 19:50:36) * `kind` kubernetes driver (decentral1se, 19:50:56) Meeting ended at 19:58:00 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * decentral1se (89) * fabianvf (51) * zodbot (7) * jtanner (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-molecule/2019-05-15/ansible_mol... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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smooge's meeting titled "EPEL (2019-05-15)" ended in #fedora-meeting

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Notification time stamped 2019-05-15 18:54:12 UTC ================================== #fedora-meeting: EPEL (2019-05-15) ================================== Meeting started by smooge at 18:01:10 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2019-05-15/epel.2019-05-... . Meeting summary --------------- * Chair and Introductions (smooge, 18:01:10) * Agenda (smooge, 18:02:58) * https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/EPEL-8# (smooge, 18:02:58) * CentOS-8 (smooge, 18:02:58) * EPEL-8 or why Smooge can't read (smooge, 18:03:22) * https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/EPEL-8 (smooge, 18:03:33) * LINK: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/LeTna-6iz9aRjsDG6A2LEQ (smooge, 18:39:30) * Free Food (smooge, 18:50:57) Meeting ended at 18:54:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * smooge (55) * nirik (30) * tdawson (25) * pgreco (12) * zodbot (10) * ignatenkobrain (8) * Evolution (2) * orionp (2) * bstinson (1) * jsmith (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2019-05-15/epel.2019-05-... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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Editorial board meeting recap 2019-May-15

by Paul W. Frields

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2019-05-15/magazine.2019... Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2019-05-15/magazine.2019... Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2019-05-15/magazine.2019... * * * ========================================= #fedora-meeting: Magazine editorial board ========================================= Meeting started by stickster at 12:00:05 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2019-05-15/magazine.2019... . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 12:00:09) * Last week's stats (stickster, 12:04:07) * Week of May 6: 96.3K pageviews, still riding the wave of F30 release! (stickster, 12:04:37) * Pending review posts (stickster, 12:09:03) * LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_typ... (stickster, 12:09:08) * --- smaller container images --- (stickster, 12:09:21) * LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27793&preview=1&_ppp=654865bacc (stickster, 12:09:30) * ACTION: asamalik resolve question about microdnf modularity usage in container [4~article (stickster, 12:19:57) * --- SSO for Fedora web services --- (stickster, 12:20:09) * LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27920&preview=1&_ppp=196de7753f (stickster, 12:20:11) * AGREED: SSO pitch accepted (stickster, 12:26:31) * ACTION: sgallagh to write SSO article and ping for editing Friday 2019-05-17 (stickster, 12:26:55) * --- securing telnet --- (stickster, 12:27:15) * LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27835&preview=1&_ppp=2417606011 (stickster, 12:27:24) * ACTION: stickster edit telnet/stunnel article (stickster, 12:38:55) * ACTION: ryanlerch image for telnet/stunnel article (stickster, 12:39:01) * Drafts to review (stickster, 12:40:21) * Pitches to review (stickster, 12:43:46) * LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=... (stickster, 12:43:50) * --- systemd-boot --- (stickster, 12:43:57) * LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27928&preview=1&_ppp=2b6ed8154a (stickster, 12:44:26) * AGREED: belay post on systemd-boot (stickster, 12:54:58) * --- Hygon Dhyana --- (stickster, 12:55:29) * LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27828&preview=1&_ppp=bf7d5c48a6 (stickster, 12:55:35) * ACTION: cverna email Hygon Dhyana author to approve pitch and ask for draft (stickster, 12:58:58) * publishing schedule (stickster, 12:59:38) * AGREED: Publishing schedule -- Thu/Fri May 16/17, small containers (edit: cverna, image: ryanlerch) -- Mon May 20, SSO (edit: stickster, image: ryanlerch) -- Wed May 22, stunnel (edit: stickster, image: ryanlerch) (stickster, 13:01:09) Meeting ended at 13:01:27 UTC. Action Items ------------ * asamalik resolve question about microdnf modularity usage in container [4~article * sgallagh to write SSO article and ping for editing Friday 2019-05-17 * stickster edit telnet/stunnel article * ryanlerch image for telnet/stunnel article * cverna email Hygon Dhyana author to approve pitch and ask for draft Action Items, by person ----------------------- * asamalik * asamalik resolve question about microdnf modularity usage in container [4~article * cverna * cverna email Hygon Dhyana author to approve pitch and ask for draft * ryanlerch * ryanlerch image for telnet/stunnel article * sgallagh * sgallagh to write SSO article and ping for editing Friday 2019-05-17 * stickster * stickster edit telnet/stunnel article * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (92) * cverna (23) * asamalik (19) * gregbartholomew (19) * ryanlerch (13) * zodbot (13) * sgallagh (3) * sdgathman (3) * Southern_Gentlem (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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x3mboy's meeting titled "Mindshare" ended in #fedora-mindshare

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Notification time stamped 2019-05-15 18:14:14 UTC ============================ #fedora-mindshare: Mindshare ============================ Meeting started by x3mboy at 17:45:58 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mindshare/2019-05-15/mindshare.2... . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (x3mboy, 17:47:09) * Agenda (x3mboy, 17:47:46) * 111 New logo, new swag: what should we ask Design for? (x3mboy, 17:49:57) * LINK: https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/111 (x3mboy, 17:50:06) * AGREED: SWAG proposed by jsmith is the "most important" from Mindshare standpoint (x3mboy, 17:56:30) * AGREED: SWAG proposed by jsmith is the "most important" from Mindshare standpoint (x3mboy, 17:56:34) * 120 Translation Sprint 2019-1 (May 2019) (x3mboy, 17:57:17) * LINK: https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/120 (x3mboy, 17:57:26) * 122 Are we changing the Fedora websites for F30? (x3mboy, 17:59:12) * LINK: https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/122 (x3mboy, 17:59:26) * AGREED: Translations team is awesome (x3mboy, 18:05:38) * 124 Election Interview Questions — Mindshare (Jun 2019) (x3mboy, 18:07:21) * LINK: https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/124 (x3mboy, 18:07:33) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections/Questionnaire#Mindshare (x3mboy, 18:10:56) Meeting ended at 18:14:14 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * x3mboy (58) * relrod_cld (9) * zodbot (7) * jsmith (7) * tg-fedmindshare (2) * bt0 (0) * nb (0) * sumantrom (0) * robyduck (0) * bt0dotninja (0) * relrod (0) * bexelbie (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mindshare/2019-05-15/mindshare.2... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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lorbus's meeting titled "fedora_coreos_meeting" ended in #fedora-meeting-1

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Notification time stamped 2019-05-15 17:34:54 UTC ======================================== #fedora-meeting-1: fedora_coreos_meeting ======================================== Meeting started by lorbus at 16:30:11 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-05-15/fedora_core... . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (lorbus, 16:30:18) * Please add items to the meeting agenda at https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/20190515-FCOS-Meeting (lorbus, 16:31:52) * LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/94 ^ (lorbus, 16:38:26) * LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/176#issuecomment-4... (kaeso, 16:39:42) * Open Floor (bgilbert, 16:40:11) * No Python in FCOS now! (lorbus, 16:40:46) * LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/92 (lorbus, 16:40:58) * ACTION: ksinny to add relevant 'exclude's in the treefile to make sure we don't accidently pull in Python dependent packages in futture (ksinny, 16:44:04) * LINK: https://github.com/projectatomic/rpm-ostree/issues/1768 (kaeso, 16:53:44) * Pulp and OSTree support (lorbus, 16:54:37) * possibly related to https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/169 (lorbus, 16:54:39) * work on porting the Pulp 2 OSTree plugin to Pulp 3 has begun (lorbus, 17:05:47) * etcd-wrapper, flannel-wrapper equivilents? (lorbus, 17:13:05) * LINK: https://github.com/coreos/coreos-overlay/tree/master/app-admin/etcd-wrapper (ajeddeloh, 17:15:25) * LINK: https://github.com/coreos/coreos-overlay/tree/master/app-admin/flannel-wr... (ajeddeloh, 17:15:37) * LINK: https://github.com/coreos/coreos-overlay/tree/master/app-admin/etcd-wrapper (lorbus, 17:15:40) * LINK: https://github.com/coreos/coreos-overlay/tree/master/app-admin/flannel-wr... (lorbus, 17:16:05) * ACTION: ajeddeloh to create a tracker issue for the *-wrapper topic (lorbus, 17:26:20) * Conditionally disabling SMT by default (lorbus, 17:27:14) * ACTION: bgilbert will file a ticket on conditionally disabling SMT, with links to PRs (bgilbert, 17:34:39) Meeting ended at 17:34:54 UTC. Action Items ------------ * ksinny to add relevant 'exclude's in the treefile to make sure we don't accidently pull in Python dependent packages in futture * ajeddeloh to create a tracker issue for the *-wrapper topic * bgilbert will file a ticket on conditionally disabling SMT, with links to PRs Action Items, by person ----------------------- * ajeddeloh * ajeddeloh to create a tracker issue for the *-wrapper topic * bgilbert * bgilbert will file a ticket on conditionally disabling SMT, with links to PRs * ksinny * ksinny to add relevant 'exclude's in the treefile to make sure we don't accidently pull in Python dependent packages in futture * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * lorbus (54) * bgilbert (33) * zodbot (32) * kaeso (31) * ajeddeloh (26) * dkliban (22) * jlebon (21) * dustymabe (14) * ksinny (13) * mrguitar (6) * slowrie (4) * mnguyen_ (3) * walters (3) * geoff- (2) * slowrie_ (1) * red_beard (1) * redbeard (0) * mnguyen (0) * lucab (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-05-15/fedora_core... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting Summary for 2018-05-15

by Mohan Boddu

====================================== #fedora-meeting-2: RELENG (2019-05-16) ====================================== Meeting started by mboddu at 16:03:34 UTC. The full logs are available athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-05-15/releng.20... . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (mboddu, 16:03:34) * compose-tracker (mboddu, 16:07:37) * We are planning to deploy compose-tracker on Friday and nirik will have a screen share session to help us understand how the deployment works in fedora infra's openshift (mboddu, 16:14:30) * #7718 The FTBFS cleanup policy is not happening (mboddu, 16:14:58) * LINK: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7718 (mboddu, 16:15:03) * nirik is planning to close this sometime this week, the only thing remaining is put it in a cron job (mboddu, 16:17:38) * #8176 Asking for agreement for a new micro-service Message-Tagging-Service (mboddu, 16:19:05) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/7563 (nirik, 16:20:33) * There is no status update on this recently, so we decided to ping in the ticket to get an update. (mboddu, 16:25:37) * #7288 Request permissions to untag packages (mboddu, 16:25:52) * LINK: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7288 (mboddu, 16:25:58) * There isn't a good way to solve this one, but rawhide gating should solve help the maintainers a lot in these cases. (mboddu, 16:44:08) * Open Floor (mboddu, 16:45:39) * sharkcz updated the check_metalink and added checks for modular repos as well (mboddu, 16:49:53) * Everything seems to be fine on alternate arches, except for some occasional s390x issues (mboddu, 16:52:49) Meeting ended at 16:59:41 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mboddu (61) * nirik (34) * zodbot (10) * sharkcz (10) * mizdebsk (8) * puiterwijk (2) * bcotton (1) * tyll (0) * masta (0) * jednorozec (0) * pbrobinson (0) * dustymabe (0) * pingou (0) * ksinny (0) * maxamillion (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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